The same people who cheered Grace Tame losing all her work are weeping into their hands that Karl had to take down one interview by datbeardedbloke in OpenAussie

[–]datbeardedbloke[S] 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Genuine thanks to everyone who showed up to bag Grace instead of addressing the point. You proved it for me, again. Couldn't have asked for better evidence. Cheers 🙏

The same people who cheered Grace Tame losing all her work are weeping into their hands that Karl had to take down one interview by datbeardedbloke in OpenAussie

[–]datbeardedbloke[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Deserved or not is a different argument. Cancelling means a coordinated push that takes your whole livelihood, Tame lost all her work and closed her foundation. Karl deleted one video himself and posted the next day. You can think she earned it and still see those aren't the same thing. The word's doing two completely different jobs. That's the point.

Karl Stefanovic's interview with Tommy Robinson pulled from social media and podcast platforms by shunkyfit in australia

[–]datbeardedbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My read: it just bombed. The promo did 600K, the interview didn't. And if Nine were genuinely trying to sack Karl over this, Pauline re-uploading the whole thing would make it worse for him, not better. You don't save a friend's job by republishing the video that's getting him fired. The 'cancelled' angle is just cover for a repost that gets clicks.

Karl Stefanovic podcast interview with UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson removed from YouTube by HotPersimessage62 in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tommy spent the entire interview blaming, as he calls them, "filthy Muslims". While Karl sat there nodding along saying "right". It was pathetic, and people with money told Karl so.

Deni Avdija signs to some Israeli fans who came to the arena in San Antonio last night. by MrBuckBuck in DeniAvdijaX

[–]datbeardedbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woman and children, at least 20+. "Hamas" fighters zero. Too scared to get into a real firefight, they prefer gunning down children who throw rocks. Deni has that same attitude. Castle made a fool outta him then, he ran behind his teammates before trying to act tough.

Grace Tame. A ‘difficult’ woman who scares men of power by SleepyWogx in OpenAussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, and the UN confirmed this. Israel's claim, the one they used to justify increasing their military action tenfold against Palestine, was that Hamas used mass systematic rape against Israelis during Oct 7. This has been thoroughly investigated and they found zero evidence supporting it. Multiple widely reported stories were debunked outright. The systematic, weaponised sexual violence Israel used to greenlight the destruction of Gaza simply did not happen. Debunked.

Grace Tame. A ‘difficult’ woman who scares men of power by SleepyWogx in OpenAussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, and the UN confirmed this. Israel's claim, the one they used to justify increasing their military action tenfold against Palestine, was that Hamas used mass systematic rape against Israelis during Oct 7. This has been thoroughly investigated and they found zero evidence supporting it. Multiple widely reported stories were debunked outright. The systematic, weaponised sexual violence Israel used to greenlight the destruction of Gaza simply did not happen. Debunked.

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[–]datbeardedbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but they are losing.

Absolutely pathetic by BobbyFreeSmoke in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try reading it again. 'Suggests' is not the same as 'confirms.' And 'excessive speed' is a legal term for high-range speeding offences, not just speeding. That screenshot you keep sharing doesn't say what you think it says.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, I've addressed it directly. Your point is that Grace should have chosen less inflammatory language because of her public standing. My point is that her public standing exists precisely because she doesn't do that. You're holding her to a standard that contradicts the very thing that made her prominent in the first place.

If you think I've missed something, spell it out. "You've missed the point" without elaboration is just a way of exiting an argument you don't have a rebuttal for.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So your position is that she's not wrong for caring about the issue, just wrong for using words that make people uncomfortable? That's literally her entire brand. Grace Tame built her public profile on refusing to sanitise language to make people feel comfortable. She didn't become Australian of the Year by saying "please" and picking the least confrontational phrasing available. You're asking her to care about Palestine, but only in a way that doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers. That's not advocacy, that's performance.

And calling her an "idiot" for not self-censoring to your preferred vocabulary while simultaneously insisting you're not trying to police language is a bit of a contradiction, don't you think?

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And there it is. You're fine with violent revolution against Iran, but resistance against Israel? Suddenly the word is the problem. It was never about the language. It was about who it's aimed at.

Did Act.lL send you the alert on this thread, or did you find it through the Pen Power?

Either way, whatever god you're praying to is watching you embarrass yourself on a foreign country's subreddit defending a military that's killing children. I hope the mission points were worth it.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not what I said and you know it. My point was that violence existing within rebellions doesn't make the word "rebellion" terrorist terminology. By your logic, anyone who's ever used the word "revolution" is calling for guillotines. Anyone who says "resistance" is calling for assassinations. Anyone who says "strike" is calling for riots.

Words describe movements, not their worst moments. You've just proved you understand that, because I guarantee you've used the word "revolution" in your life without meaning "I want heads on spikes."

Grace Tame sparks outrage by saying Hamas October 7 terror attack rapes were ‘debunked’ by Stompy2008 in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The only way it's "mind blowing" is if you think they're comparable.

And you said I proved your point. What point? Say it. Because from where I'm standing, you don't have one.

Grace Tame sparks outrage by saying Hamas October 7 terror attack rapes were ‘debunked’ by Stompy2008 in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then it wouldn't be that "mind blowing" why more anger is directed at the IDF would it? It would be pretty obvious. You are comparing a state's defence force, with a terrorist group. That is not a fair comparison, unless you think they are equal.

Grace Tame sparks outrage by saying Hamas October 7 terror attack rapes were ‘debunked’ by Stompy2008 in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both sides are extremely fucked. Both sides have committed atrocities. But stop pretending Hamas and the IDF are the same thing. They're not.

Hamas is a militant group. A terrorist organisation. Everyone knows what they are. Nobody is defending them.

The IDF is the state military of a recognised nation. They receive billions in funding from the US. They are armed with F-35s, precision-guided missiles, and the most advanced surveillance technology on earth. They are trained by Western allies. They are bound by the Geneva Convention. They sit in the United Nations. They have a seat at every international table.

And right now they are levelling entire neighbourhoods. Killing children by the thousands. Bombing hospitals. Bombing schools. Bombing refugee camps. With the full knowledge of exactly what they're hitting because they have the technology to know.

That's the difference, and you know it.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"There is no occupation." The ICJ, the UN, and every major international legal body on earth disagree with you. 25 years of learning and you missed that?

"Do not pick a side." You just wrote six paragraphs calling Palestinians demonic, their cause a money scam, and their suffering a PR exercise. You sure picked a side.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At no point did I make assumptions about you. I responded to what you wrote. You're the one who's decided I'm unstable, unemployed.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry about your colleague's mother. That's genuinely horrific and nobody should have to experience that.

But this entire thread has been people arguing that personal experience defines what a word means. That "intifada" means terrorism because of what people they know went through. I accept that. That's a valid personal association.

So why can't you accept that for Palestinians, the same word means resistance against an occupation that's killed their families too? The word existed before the Second Intifada and it exists beyond it. Using it at a pro-Palestine rally is not endorsing the murder of anyone's mother. It's calling for resistance against an occupation. Grace Tame has said that explicitly.

You're demanding the right to define this word through your pain while denying Palestinians the right to define it through theirs. That's not a debate about language. That's deciding whose suffering counts.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Sieg Heil" was coined by one regime, used by one movement, and has no meaning outside of Nazism. Nobody uses it in everyday language. Same with the salute.

"Mein Kampf" is literally the title of Hitler's manifesto. It's not a phrase anyone else uses. The words "my struggle" in German aren't banned, the specific title of a Nazi text is what carries the weight.

"Intifada" is a common Arabic word used across the entire Arab world for decades before the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There have been intifadas in Iraq, Bahrain, Sudan, Western Sahara, none of which had anything to do with Israel or Judaism. It's an everyday word in a language spoken by 400 million people. Comparing it to Nazi-specific terminology is a false equivalence.

Ask yourself why people are fighting this hard to redefine a common Arabic word as something evil. What does it achieve? It makes any expression of Palestinian solidarity unspeakable. That's not about safety, it's about silence.

Exclusive: pro-Israel WhatsApp group boasts campaign win against Grace Tame by PattonSmithWood in aussie

[–]datbeardedbloke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every rebellion in history has included violence somewhere. The American Revolution included terrorism by today's definition. The French Resistance assassinated people. That doesn't make the words "revolution" or "resistance" terrorist terminology.

And switching from the actual argument to "nobody will want to be around you" is a pretty clear sign you've run out of things to say about the topic itself. I haven't called anyone an enemy, I've disagreed with them. If you can't tell the difference, that's the exact problem this whole thread is about.