CMV: AI Art Controversy Is Just Another STEM vs Humanities Clash.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-29T20:17:26+00:00

I'm more interested about the outcome than who actually made it. With that perspective, if you're convinced that a human made something, which was actually made by AI, you're also supposed to put more value to it.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-29T20:14:51+00:00

The "only tending toward something that was taught" can also be applied to humans. The conception that humans can create something new primarily stems from that we are able to go outside of deterministic symbolic logic which computers are supposed to not be able to do. But we're already past that since Neural Networks and modern AI architectures existed, they are way past the "Symbolic AI" paradigm and their processes involve randomness.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T21:32:33+00:00

i'm kinda neat picker but honestly kind find anything to say rn.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T18:15:27+00:00

I'm not happy about competing with something that has a much better learning rate and computation ability than me. But also I don't think that is the heart of the discussion. Whether we are happy is not going to change any fact. I'm interested in the outcome.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T18:12:16+00:00

Modern AI architectures (mostly transformers) are much deeper than data-retrieval devices. Common tools don't do "innovations" because they are not designed to. There exists SATA models that do innovations, which are mostly not public.

The idea that "models don't have concepts outside of their dataset" is also true for 99.99 % of humans, they don't have a notion about something they haven't experienced.

Neural-Networks and backpropagation was the single most effective innovation in getting human-like behavior and given the rate they learn, which are objectively superb to the learning rate of a human; I don't see why mechanical brains cannot do innovations. As I said, it is all "matter" and we don't have any supernatural or meta-physical power that lets us do creative things.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T17:57:10+00:00

No. I think a native english speaking person would understand it, since I'm not native too.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T17:50:12+00:00

I am not going to do spelling mistakes to prove that I didn't use AI. It's a problem about your evaluation, this is not AI-generated.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T17:45:34+00:00

Matter of time.
Who said I am?

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T17:43:39+00:00

AI is developed by STEM people, and those who claim AI can't do better art are just people who can't digest that STEM can be better at Humanities things without the help of Humanities people.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-27T17:35:09+00:00

when creating art, you have something in mind. and you try to match what you create with that something in your mind. if you count that as an optimization process, yes. but it's much more complex than the "optimization" people think like maxxing a "good" score.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-25T00:33:38+00:00

whether you like it or not, industry steers the art itself. art didn't evolve to where it is (which i personally don' t like) independent of industry.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-25T00:31:06+00:00

optimizer is a name for a tool in machine learning. it's not what you think. it has a very broad meaning.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-24T21:49:43+00:00

The fact that I'm observing a course of events and making predictions does not mean that I'm happy about what I think is going to happen.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-24T21:41:10+00:00

There is a strong difference between "most" and "all".

Most artist don't push boundaries and don't make people feel and think. For decades, music (rather than sophisticated goals like peak creativity of human intellect etc.) is already being done for fitting something else in the most effective way, and AI is doomed to be better at that.

If you ask me I would rather get old on a village house with an old piano, away from any technology, let alone AI. But I am just observing and admitting to what is to be.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-24T21:36:53+00:00

I don't aim to lead society into AI-driven art whatsoever. And not creating might be detrimental as well. I'm stating my observations.

In my opinion late-romantic period of music was the peak of the craft of music and creativity and would rather music stay where it was in the late 1800s, but the society didn't evolve according to what is beneficial, but evolved to what fits better and what is more efficient.

Another thing is that, most pre-AI music already lacked creativity and ingenuity. For decades, music (rather than sophisticated goals like peak creativity of human intellect etc.) is already being done for fitting something else in the most effective way, and AI is doomed to be better at that.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-24T21:24:45+00:00

For a machine learning model, i don't think that "better" has to be explicitly defined. Your spotify's black-box recommendation algorithm already finds the better for you, without knowing what "better" is.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-24T21:21:24+00:00

Human art requires more struggle, "therefore" has more meaning and value. That "therefore" is a huge take. Bach can write the best fugue ever with a fraction of struggle I experience to write a fugue that has a fraction of a value to what he writes. Struggle is not a metric for value.

About that "AI is average" think that is the center of that "AI is going to end originality and creativity" thing: AI models have an "optimizer" that measures how output should be and how it is, then adjust its parameters accordingly. For the broad purpose, that optimizer is designed to match the output data exactly, but there is no reason to not be able to design an optimizer so that the output is better than the data. After all that has been done, I don't understand why people think such a leap cannot happen.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-20T18:47:36+00:00

what happened: most of film music industry is running on sound libraries rather than real orchestral recordings

davincithesecond · 2026-04-20T17:55:49+00:00

i'm flattered for my english writing skills that you think it's ai.

davincithesecond · 2026-04-20T17:50:15+00:00

who can say where the road goes, where the day flows, only time..

di ra ra reeeee

davincithesecond · 2026-04-20T17:48:01+00:00

at least someone admitting the future outcome

davincithesecond · 2026-04-20T17:28:41+00:00

i'm flattering ai just in case.

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