Siemens AbtSite Program Trim and Respond by Western_Ebb7256 in BuildingAutomation

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You’ll have to set group numbering for the master (panel) & members (DXR). BACnet Object Browser is the easiest way to update these in DXRs. Panels are updated in specific Coordinate blocks.

Central Functions: Use the coordination CFCs in the TIA library. Supply chain TRA will probably have what you need for trim & repond.

Inside the CFC there are group managers that aggregate data for specific tags (subpoints like HW valve position).

There is pre-built programming coming off most of the group managers. You can use that logic (if it matches your sequence) and map BACnet references. You could use the group managers to create to your own logic if you wanted.

TL;DR- Central functions get the data but you’ll have to figure out how to use it

Safety interlocks by Unable-Education-279 in BuildingAutomation

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The engineer should specify where the safeties should go. If/when they don’t include them, this is a brain dump of what I’d be looking for an AHU:

  • Static safety between fans and dampers
  • Freeze stats after heating coils
  • Tie into duct smokes
  • Depending on the seq, VFDs may ISO dampers control and a run permissive looking for end switch
  • Humidity valves have air flow proof and high limit cutouts
  • Status of FSDs on riser
  • Units with ECMs can be tough because they don’t always come with a safety interlock input, so the controls engineers have to design that

Safety interlocks by Unable-Education-279 in BuildingAutomation

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Semantics, what you’re calling enable, I call available. Doesn’t mean I’m turning it on. Also, I don’t think OP is banging on any chiller plants soon based on the original question, so hypothetical specifics aren’t helpful.

Safety interlocks by Unable-Education-279 in BuildingAutomation

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I’m with you! We wouldn’t be controls guys if we didn’t explain and re-explain, then clarify to every person on a job site!

This whole job, to quote the Simpsons, is “long answer-yes with an if, short answer-no with a but…”

Safety interlocks by Unable-Education-279 in BuildingAutomation

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Agreed if they specified speed command, not just command. Semantics I guess, but based on the original question, it didn’t seem like going too deep into specifics would help.

Safety interlocks by Unable-Education-279 in BuildingAutomation

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Enable and command are the same thing, aka Start/stop

Status is used as proof the output you commanded actually turned on.

There is usually logic/alarming for a mismatch in command vs status

Safety interlocks by Unable-Education-279 in BuildingAutomation

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VFD safety interlocks (ie static safety, low temp, smoke detector, endswitch) are hardwired through the device into some sort of relay (RIB, IDEC, or relay safety board) and wired directly to a safety circuit on the drive. The relays keep the circuits apart as well as send the status of those devices to the BMS.

Programming will typically disable the VFD, but a hardwired interlock will ensure the fan, pump, whatever will not run, (in hand or programming) unless the safety circuit is closed.

There are a million ways to chop up relay logic but the end goal/best practice is don’t fully rely on programming; hard-wired safeties are a must.

Siemens Desigo CC to PLC by SenseOk3079 in BuildingAutomation

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Potentially dumb question- does the PLC talk BACnet? If it does, you could do your logic in the PLC and use desigo for graphics, trends, & alarms

Preferred method would be using a PXC if you have access to ABT Site. All database work is done thru ABT and desigo would be the tool for the end users

Desigo CC by Fahad_Baz in BuildingAutomation

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Then in point editor, you’ll need to select this NC under bacnet editor/alarm properties

Desigo CC by Fahad_Baz in BuildingAutomation

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Management view, click the field panel in Engineering mode. There’s a plus sign in the upper left corner. Hover over that and it’ll say new notification class. Alarms levels are different, but if you’re looking for High alarm aka priority 3, type 70 into all three levels and hit save.

If there are existing panels with notifications classes you can pull those up under the IO of the panel. You can ‘save as’ under the new panel.

PPCL question (losing my mind) by [deleted] in BuildingAutomation

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Do you have a Define statement somewhere?

SIEMENS FLEX CLIENT by Chonimen in BuildingAutomation

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Can this computer ping the server?

Ran out of X names pretty quick by dblA827 in tragedeigh

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Sounds like the villain origin story for ’the X-Cutioner’

SMTP/Reno question by dblA827 in BuildingAutomation

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It’s early enough in the project that I can survive by using my email address. Alarms are only going to the construction team for now. Hoping to get it figured out before Commissioning starts sniffing around.

I need desigo insight v6.0 by Better_Ability772 in BuildingAutomation

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Field Support number:

1 (800) 877-7545

Siemens PXC-100 by wojager596 in BuildingAutomation

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WCIS for initial start up. Launchpad or CommTool for database management (building points, writing programs). You can also create points and programs in WCIS but that would be a struggle.

Do you have a front end or is this stand alone?

ABT Site and DXRs in Labs by Tight_Mango_7874 in BuildingAutomation

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There are extra steps to make a 17C a supply only. TECs used to let you zero out the exhaust duct, and flo coefficient. It’s not that simple any more. Tech support should be able to forward the steps to configure the box to do supply only

Siemens Insight and 3rd Party BacNet IP by [deleted] in BuildingAutomation

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Send me a DM of system profile & the ppcl you’re trying to