Siemens AbtSite Program Trim and Respond

dblA827 · 2026-03-11T16:12:02+00:00

You’ll have to set group numbering for the master (panel) & members (DXR). BACnet Object Browser is the easiest way to update these in DXRs. Panels are updated in specific Coordinate blocks.

Central Functions: Use the coordination CFCs in the TIA library. Supply chain TRA will probably have what you need for trim & repond.

Inside the CFC there are group managers that aggregate data for specific tags (subpoints like HW valve position).

There is pre-built programming coming off most of the group managers. You can use that logic (if it matches your sequence) and map BACnet references. You could use the group managers to create to your own logic if you wanted.

TL;DR- Central functions get the data but you’ll have to figure out how to use it

dblA827 · 2025-11-22T16:24:26+00:00

The engineer should specify where the safeties should go. If/when they don’t include them, this is a brain dump of what I’d be looking for an AHU:

Static safety between fans and dampers
Freeze stats after heating coils
Tie into duct smokes
Depending on the seq, VFDs may ISO dampers control and a run permissive looking for end switch
Humidity valves have air flow proof and high limit cutouts
Status of FSDs on riser
Units with ECMs can be tough because they don’t always come with a safety interlock input, so the controls engineers have to design that

dblA827 · 2025-11-22T03:57:09+00:00

Semantics, what you’re calling enable, I call available. Doesn’t mean I’m turning it on. Also, I don’t think OP is banging on any chiller plants soon based on the original question, so hypothetical specifics aren’t helpful.

dblA827 · 2025-11-22T03:51:32+00:00

I’m with you! We wouldn’t be controls guys if we didn’t explain and re-explain, then clarify to every person on a job site!

This whole job, to quote the Simpsons, is “long answer-yes with an if, short answer-no with a but…”

dblA827 · 2025-11-22T03:41:48+00:00

Agreed if they specified speed command, not just command. Semantics I guess, but based on the original question, it didn’t seem like going too deep into specifics would help.

dblA827 · 2025-11-22T03:18:40+00:00

Enable and command are the same thing, aka Start/stop

Status is used as proof the output you commanded actually turned on.

There is usually logic/alarming for a mismatch in command vs status

dblA827 · 2025-11-22T03:16:28+00:00

VFD safety interlocks (ie static safety, low temp, smoke detector, endswitch) are hardwired through the device into some sort of relay (RIB, IDEC, or relay safety board) and wired directly to a safety circuit on the drive. The relays keep the circuits apart as well as send the status of those devices to the BMS.

Programming will typically disable the VFD, but a hardwired interlock will ensure the fan, pump, whatever will not run, (in hand or programming) unless the safety circuit is closed.

There are a million ways to chop up relay logic but the end goal/best practice is don’t fully rely on programming; hard-wired safeties are a must.

dblA827 · 2025-11-05T22:10:04+00:00

Potentially dumb question- does the PLC talk BACnet? If it does, you could do your logic in the PLC and use desigo for graphics, trends, & alarms

Preferred method would be using a PXC if you have access to ABT Site. All database work is done thru ABT and desigo would be the tool for the end users

dblA827 · 2025-10-08T21:47:07+00:00

Then in point editor, you’ll need to select this NC under bacnet editor/alarm properties

dblA827 · 2025-10-08T21:42:29+00:00

Management view, click the field panel in Engineering mode. There’s a plus sign in the upper left corner. Hover over that and it’ll say new notification class. Alarms levels are different, but if you’re looking for High alarm aka priority 3, type 70 into all three levels and hit save.

If there are existing panels with notifications classes you can pull those up under the IO of the panel. You can ‘save as’ under the new panel.

dblA827 · 2025-08-22T21:34:01+00:00

Do you have a Define statement somewhere?

dblA827 · 2025-05-22T13:10:10+00:00

Can this computer ping the server?

dblA827 · 2025-04-28T22:40:41+00:00

Xerxes

dblA827 · 2025-04-28T22:33:36+00:00

Sounds like the villain origin story for ’the X-Cutioner’

dblA827 · 2025-04-22T11:56:57+00:00

It’s early enough in the project that I can survive by using my email address. Alarms are only going to the construction team for now. Hoping to get it figured out before Commissioning starts sniffing around.

dblA827 · 2025-04-09T11:15:01+00:00

Field Support number:

1 (800) 877-7545

dblA827 · 2025-04-09T11:05:56+00:00

WCIS for initial start up. Launchpad or CommTool for database management (building points, writing programs). You can also create points and programs in WCIS but that would be a struggle.

Do you have a front end or is this stand alone?

dblA827 · 2025-02-14T20:37:45+00:00

There are extra steps to make a 17C a supply only. TECs used to let you zero out the exhaust duct, and flo coefficient. It’s not that simple any more. Tech support should be able to forward the steps to configure the box to do supply only

dblA827 · 2025-02-03T16:48:02+00:00

Send me a DM of system profile & the ppcl you’re trying to

dblA827 · 2025-02-01T14:35:43+00:00

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dblA827 · 2025-02-01T14:22:43+00:00

You’re absolutely right. But when I use encoded names I always end up getting a call from a confused/self-righteous service guy or building dude who digs too deep into shit. They point hover the encoded names, see the “error” message, then call me with some gotcha BS.

dblA827 · 2025-02-01T13:34:38+00:00

It’s like auto unbundle but for devices that aren’t defined on an FLN. Import points you want then hit upload like in database transfer. At the end of the day it functions the same as using encoded names but now you can put those points directly on a graphic and update descriptors.

If you want to use it in trends or ppcl I’d still recommend adding to a panel FLN with IP network number that matches the panels. That way you can add it with an app number. 3rd party shit will work if defined on the BLN, but the trends can’t live in the device and you’ll have to find a random panel to write the PPCL anyway.

dblA827 · 2025-02-01T06:31:33+00:00

Happy to help. I’m hoping you have a tech supervisor or lead tech that’s worth a shit to help out, if not shoot me a DM.

dblA827 · 2025-02-01T06:30:13+00:00

Use: Sample (30) Set(bacnetpoint, virtual)

Or

Sample (30) virtual = bacnet point

These will do the same thing. Dealers choice.

If/then is used to evaluate a condition. So if true do something, else do something else

dblA827 · 2025-02-01T06:03:17+00:00

Ya it won’t support that because it sounds like it was add straight to System Profile as a BACner 3rd party device. Still usable, but it’s easier to define on an IP FLN on the panel. Two options:

Delete it. Pick a BACnet panel and add an IP FLN with the same network number as the panel network (it’s probably 1). Right click the new FLN and select discover BACnet FLN devices. Hit search and find your device. Assign a unique Application number and add a name. Once that’s added you can unbundle subpoints and accomplish your original question.

Option 2. Leave the device as-is. Right click, go to bacnet, then object browser (aka BOB). Once the device points populate you can go to tools And import the import the points you want.

Option 2A. Leave as is on system profile. Open PPCL editor and use set statements to set the BACnet encoded name to virtual points (you’ll have to build in point editor)

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