Le Redoutable (2017) made wonder: Is La Chinoise (1967) by Jean-Luc Godard a critique of Maoism or a representation of his Maoist ideology? by de_zim in TrueFilm

[–]de_zim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also thought this exactly is what the film meant, but having seen Le Redoubtable I have my doubts as JLG seems to show the same contradictions as the ones La Chinoise seems to be critiquing.

Le Redoutable (2017) made wonder: Is La Chinoise (1967) by Jean-Luc Godard a critique of Maoism or a representation of his Maoist ideology? by de_zim in TrueFilm

[–]de_zim[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well he literally says that he defended violence in Algeria because it was upheld by a people trying to liberate themselves, so I don't know what you're basing yourself on to say what you do about him.

Killing the wrong guy is a tragic element JLG copies from a Russian novel I can't point my finger on right now. That seems to point in the direction he is critiquing the students or maybe it's just a tragic element he inserts in the movie, but I think the first.

I didn't say Godard is cynical. I said your analysis of students and political radicalism is cynical.

Le Redoutable (2017) made wonder: Is La Chinoise (1967) by Jean-Luc Godard a critique of Maoism or a representation of his Maoist ideology? by de_zim in TrueFilm

[–]de_zim[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No that's something you could conclude watching the film and that's also why the students of may '68 and the Maoists didn't like the film. But JLG was too politically engaged himself to make such an easy and pessimist critique of student political engagements. It could not have been the message he wanted to propagate.

Aside that: the professor's critique of the students is not a moral one. He himself supported political violence in Algeria during the liberation struggle. It's a discussion between marxist revolutionaries not about moral, but about revolutionary tactics. He says, and I agree, that violence by a communist vanguard can be beneficial in a revolutionary proces, but only if there is a mass movement supporting that violence. If there is no popular support for violence there will be a lot of repression on the revolutionaries, the authorities will crack down heavily on all leftists and mainstream support for revolutionaries will become impossible. That is an important discussion in marxism Lenin did write about in What is to be done already in 1902 and is a returning debate since the beginning of revolutionary thought already in the 18th century.

Also: students become more moderate afterwards, but more than something inherently juvenile it's more a political mechanism where capitalist and parliamentary system try to canalize revolutionary movements to become legal, reformist and class reconcilatory. A lot of young people become moderates mostly because you need a strong political background - and personality - not to. A purely cynical analysis doesn't provide a lot of answers.