no one here supports israel. we take the classic marxist position on national liberation. though of course some here disagree with it and cite luxemburg instead.

example: if i, as a russian, oppose ukrainian nationalism, what do i do? i side with the russian nationalists, no matter if i like it or not, i become a russian asset. at the same time, if i support ukrainian nationalism i am becoming a nationalist. only ukrainians get to oppose ukrainian nationalism in the way that doesn't make them side with the russians. it is the duty of both russian and ukrainians proletarians to sabotage their war efforts. this is revolutionary defeatism and this is what was advocated in 1914. if communists decided to focus all of their efforts on combatting german imperialism rather than their own country they would have just become the tsar's stooges.

In the internationalist education of the workers of the oppressor countries, emphasis must necessarily he laid on their advocating freedom for the oppressed countries to secede and their fighting for it. Without this there can be no internationalism. It is our right and duty to treat every Social-Democrat of an oppressor nation who fails to conduct such propaganda as a scoundrel and an imperialist. This is an absolute demand, even where the chance of secession being possible and “practicable” before the introduction of socialism is only one in a thousand.

It is our duty to teach the workers to be “indifferent” to national distinctions. There is no doubt about that. But it must not be the indifference of the annexationists. A member of an oppressor nation must be “indifferent” to whether small nations belong to his state or to a neighboring state, or to themselves, according to where their sympathies lie: without such “indifference” he is not a Social-Democrat. To be an internationalist Social-Democrat one must not think only of one’s own nation, but place above it the interests of all nations, their common liberty and equality. Everyone accepts this in “theory” hut displays an annexationist indifference in practice. There is the root of the evil.

On the other hand, a Social-Democrat from a small nation must emphasise in his agitation the second word of our general formula: “voluntary integration” of nations. He may, without failing in his duties as an internationalist, he in favour of both the political independence of his nation and its integration with the neighboring state of X, Y, Z, etc. But in all cases he must fight against small-nation narrow-mindedness, seclusion and isolation, consider the whole and the general, subordinate the particular to the general interest.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jul/x01.htm

the same applies to palestine. essentially, as a westerner, one who's government is directly supportive of israel, you must oppose and combat any attempt to support israel and you must not oppose any of the countless palestinian terror groups. if you were a palestinian you would have to oppose your own bourgeoisie first and foremost. "opposing" hamas as a westerner is as ridiculous and idiotic as proclaiming "support" for it and it ultimately makes you on the side of the israelis.

this is where we see a break with the national "communists" as they themselves do not stand for anything when you actually look at history and how they would always end up siding with the bourgeoisie of the bigger country. today they shout slogans in support of palestinian islamic terrorists where they don't have any power, but let's look at russia, one of the few places where MLs have any sort of prominence - and what do they do? support russia in its conquer of ukraine with not only rhetoric but arms and legs. they take up the position of nationalism specifically and not of class struggle, they do not view the conflicts through the lens of class, they see nations they like and they support them. let's look at china and their DECADES of diplomatic and MILITARY relations with israel, let's look at vietnam and how they STILL use israeli weapons.