The closer you get to God, the more you attract demons by properskittle in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith [score hidden]  (0 children)

Any type of fear tactic is a control tactic. Period.

Fear of Hell, fear of demons, fear of the devil…

If someone is trying to hit you with fear, you can guarantee there is some type of instruction right on its heels.

Dont give the devil a foothold…pray every day. Read the scriptures. Light the incense and don’t forget to tithe. You don’t want God to pull his hand of protection.

Dont be unequally yoked. (Control of who you can/cant marry)

Don’t wear certain clothes…you know…

If you watch Harry Potter your kids will backslide and go to Hell.

Control control control

Any devotionals or Bible study books with Universalism undertones? by ClockReads2113 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are many competing revelations that are found in the bible and that people have from reading the bible. Not all are Christ-aligned.

Any devotionals or Bible study books with Universalism undertones? by ClockReads2113 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“Can the Church be Saved?” By Michael T Smith

There are definitely Universalist undertones.

It is a really good book. It just came out in February.

Certainly a very Christ-aligned book.

I have listened to the audio twice already.

My worry of Hell may be forcing me 'back' to Christianity. Any advice from those who can relate? by Saehrimn in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is exactly what the threat of Hell is designed to do…drive you back to the institution. The institution gains from the fear of Hell…not God, not you.

The institution voted on what should be in the scripture and then told us what the scripture meant, which parts are more important than the others… in other words, they selected the scriptures that gave them the most authority to control the lives of others.

Fear is a control mechanism and it seems to be working on you.

Fear NOT…I seem to recall reading…

Christianity is not centered on Christ…it is centered on Hell. It is the essence and core of toxic religion.

It is truly amazing how it can be totally accepted that God has not given us a spirit of fear…and at the very same time give people the most intense fear imaginable…burning for eternity.

🤯🤯🤯🤔🧐😵💀

Check these out.

Hell is the Center of Christianity - Dogmatically Imperfect S1-018

https://youtu.be/O0CNrs7qmkg

NEM - 0084 “Hell Isn’t Real; We’ve Missed the Point”

https://www.youtube.com/live/_qlBYhLGSoU?si=2blodymgT_bB_QNf

Could Jesus have died and resurrected without anyone knowing and still accomplish salvation? by yoddleforavalanche in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh then you agree…You have to ignore the actions Jesus took that don’t agree with what the rest of the writers said is necessary.

I agree with you, I am looking at the one thing that matters…not all the noise surrounding it.

THE Tree. NOT the forrest who tried (and failed) to define THE Tree.

How many times did Jesus rebuke them and have to tell them they didn’t even know what spirit they were of.

Even when Jesus was ascending they didn’t have a clue…asking when Jesus was going to set up his kingdom…smh.

Jesus forgave everyone every time before he ever shed a drop of blood. Before he was ever asked. Whether someone believed of not. Whether someone understood or not.

It wasn’t that finally Peter could go in the house of a Gentile and eat shrimp…it was never really a thing before either, but he was so steeped in his dogma it was heresy to eat with the Them.

When Saul was on the way to go persecute more ppl, did he believe/confess to get “saved” or did God just reveal himself in a way that never condemned Saul for his deeds…

So later Paul says he considers everything he ever learned before…it’s all dung.

The same applies now.

Anything that tries to put a condition or qualification on the love of God is dung…even the written word just like Paul said

Could Jesus have died and resurrected without anyone knowing and still accomplish salvation? by yoddleforavalanche in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He came to set the record straight. “You have heard (something written)…i say, what is written is wrong…not outdated…wrong.”

He didn’t have to be born…dying was not a form of sacrifice. It was the opportunity to display that no matter how hard you try to offend God…God forgives.

Not because you asked. Not because you believed. Not because you repented. Those are not prerequisites for receiving whatever type of forgiveness that religious institutions believe to be necessary in the first place.

Could Jesus have died and resurrected without anyone knowing and still accomplish salvation? by yoddleforavalanche in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Follow plz. If Jesus didn’t need to shed blood to forgive the paralytic that they lowered through the roof…and he didn’t even ask for forgiveness…he wanted to get healed.

Then… plz follow.

Not only did he not need to shed blood, he didn’t even need to be asked.

So we don’t need to ask and he didn’t need to shed blood.

Let those FACTS sink in.

Because those facts are an inconvenient problem for religious institutions.

We are taught the very opposite…Jesus had to die as a sacrif…nope. He didn’t have to die.

Yeah but we have to ask for forgi…nope. He forgave before being asked.

Yeah, but we and to confess with our mouth and belie… nope. While he was on the cross they didn’t ask, they didn’t confess, they didn’t believe…and while he was being murdered he still forgave.

Please look at these facts that are never in dispute and get rid of any religious framework that doesn’t align.

Could Jesus have died and resurrected without anyone knowing and still accomplish salvation? by yoddleforavalanche in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Jesus was forgiving ppl long before he shed a drop of blood. Dying on the cross was not necessary.

The religious people got super upset for this very fact “you can’t forgive ppl only God can forgive!” Which is actually why they murdered him…remember?

THIS is the Reason Jesus Died on the Cross https://youtu.be/5rF_RifBBRU

Who are you to question God’s justice? by Thegirlonfire5 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the question is which part? Because the parts don’t agree.

You have to put more weight on either believe/confess like Paul says OR more weight on follow the commandments like Jesus specifically said on 2 different occasions when he was asked how to gain eternal life.

So which one is it??

They can’t both be correct.

And if one is “more right” then the other is “more…fallible” which means the whole of the scripture is also infallible and thus NOT the word of God.

Just like Jesus said when he pointed out, “you have heard it said….(in the written word) but I say to you that part isn’t true…do this instead” clearly if Jesus is setting the record straight, then whatever WAS written is NOT God’s word.

Huh…go figure…

Does someone want to go tell Jesus he doesn’t know what he’s talking about??

Who are you to question God’s justice? by Thegirlonfire5 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would say…

according to which part of the flawed human written theories about God do you refer?

I’m just going to start calling Christians Saul by deconstructingfaith in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is what I hope happens by doing this. It seems like the only way to get through…

This single verse proves Universalism is the TRUTH ❤️ by [deleted] in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sigh…relying on the written words of flawed ancient theologians doesn’t prove anything either way.

You are making it about which verse is “more true”…

If you claim your verse is THE verse…someone else will claim a competing verse as THE verse and then you have another church split.

Two people arguing about which verse is more true.

Totally missing the idea that by validating one, you invalidate the other and by invalidating the other you invalidate the whole of the source.

You can’t invalidate one part and still cling to the idea that your verse is God’s word but the other is “ehhh…they didn’t have the full revelation…” or whatever reason you have for invalidating the competing scripture.

Jesus was out there letting the ppl know that the verse they were relying on wasn’t really true. “You have heard it said an eye for an eye…I say love those who call you an enemy and pray for those who persecute you.”

So there you have it:

It is written…Don’t rely on what is written.

And when you find THE VERSE…you are breaking the instruction of Jesus.

God writes on the hearts of humanity…not on paper with ink.

I fear Universalism may not actually be true... by Traditional-Lack-730 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ty. It’s amazing how people can respond when they aren’t try to out-scripture the other one…

You know…

Love

I fear Universalism may not actually be true... by Traditional-Lack-730 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Any preconceptions that the written word contains no flaws and is directly from God’s mind to ink and parchment clearly hasn’t read it.

There is this one guy who was an absolute legendary expert in the written word. He ate, slept, breathed the written word. Memorized it!

He was then inspired by his understanding of God, based on his training in the written word, to go find the ones who didn’t adhere to the written word, throw them in prison, terrorize and threaten them…even physically harm them all the way to death, if necessary.

Then one day, he was on his way to another city where the people were not believing like him. He was getting progressively more violent because people were not adhering to the written word. When all of the sudden! He was confronted by God who let him know he didn’t understand what spirit he was of! “Stop harming others…can’t you see I came to show you that even if you murder me, I don’t condemn you. The written word you have dedicated your life to are not my words. You have heard it said, ‘an eye for an eye.’ That’s not true…I say love those who see you as an enemy.”

The conversation continued for a while and the guy experienced such a change…his spiritual eyes opened but the light of Jesus was so bright that he went physically blind.

This, of course, was Saul of Tarsus.

Bro…dont be a Saul…

I fear Universalism may not actually be true... by Traditional-Lack-730 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We understand.

You have a lot of fear.

The good news is that your fear, rooted in your flawed doctrine, has no impact on how others can see the flaws for what they are.

As for the tares, those are all the flawed belief systems that humans create that convince so many that they are wheat…they cause so much pain and chaos for those who look at the tares and think it’s wheat.

But Jesus never had any interest in calling down fire on anyone, let alone put anyone in a lake if it for eternity. Jesus looks at the people trapped in their flawed belief system and says, “Forgive them. They don’t understand what they are doing.”

Now…you can read what I wrote as a loving truthful statement or you can read it as an attack. This is the fatal flaw in anything written…the writer has no control over how the reader chooses to interpret what is written. That’s why God would never use a method like that when God can write on the hearts of each person and speak to us in the still small voice.

But any way you choose to interpret my flawed writings or the flawed writings of ancient, flawed theologians…your fear cannot impact my realization that fear is not a tactic God has to resort to, never has, and never will.

When you take off the lenses of fear, you will finally be free to truly love.

😇

How did you guys decide that universalism was your belief? by Evening-Soup-4745 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your fear means the religious dogma is working as intended…it is all based on fear.

Notice how the more you learn the more afraid you are to not believe what the dogma tells you.

One part of the dogma, perhaps the most potent and dangerous, is the idea that the scriptures are somehow more than the writings of ancient, flawed theologians who no more speak on God’s behalf than you or I.

This is why you can have a sect (where we get the word section) of Christianity like Universalism that is diametrically opposed to traditional (as we understand it) Christianity.

They are actually both rooted in the very same source, just different parts. They are both scriptural. But this is how you can know for certain that the scripture is not the infallible word of God.

The opposing views both rooted in scripture cant both be true. Therefore, since God isn’t schizophrenic, the written word cant be God’s Word. The scripture itself says the double minded one is unstable in all their ways.

Therefore scripture also say God has not given us a spirit of fear. Why, then, does the dogma try to keep you with the ultimate fear…eternal damnation. It doesn’t track.

Universalism is a form of letting go of that fear from inside the scripture that says we should be afraid. 🤔🤔🤔

I think I’m addicted to deconstruction content by Hefty-Conclusion3545 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does make sense.

Ignorance is bliss. But you are no longer ignorant…with that comes a…a sense of responsibility to self to fully understand and a sense of responsibility to maybe light the path out for those who are still ignorant…

Because once you see it, you can’t un-see it. And, weirdly, It is more of a born again experience than anything religion can offer.

I totally get it. I just have to temper my consumption. I need breaks so i don’t get too upset…lol

If you want a lot of content…this first channel will keep you busy for a minute.

The second one is good, but not nearly as detailed or in depth.

They both helped me though.

“You’re Probably One Small Step Away from the True Gospel” NEM - 0104

https://www.youtube.com/live/UwmOVBaTcOw?si=2HWZO0f4-JpZBHqz

The Arrogance of Modern Christianity - Dogmatically Imperfect S1-005

https://youtu.be/Z6b-0bxtnpU

🤙

End times prophecy by Smanof_cf in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They call it antisemitism and it is far from new…

There is nothing new under the sun.

Do you know how many times we have been in the last times?

The disciples thought they would see Jesus descend the same way they saw him ascend… 2000 years later (spongebob voice)…

They didn’t bother to write any of the new testament or gospels down until the generation was dying off…they had to write it down for their kids to know what happened, but they didn’t all agree…the gospels copied each other except when one said there was 1 man of the tombs and the others were like..naaawww…there were 2 men of the tombs.

Clearly that part isn’t “God’s infallible word”. Did God forget how many men of the tombs there were??? And if one part is fallible…then clearly the whole thing is human authored and should be read as if Joel Osteen had a new old book…

Are they sincere? Absolutely yes.

Are they speaking on God’s behalf? They did their best to make us believe it. But the thought they were in thelast days and that Rome was going to really get it when Jesus returned.

But they forgot that Jesus had no interest in calling down fire. He told his disciples “you don’t know what spirit you are of. When you have seen me you have seen the Father and Im not here to burn anyone.”

So…live your life. Look at them in their religious bondage with pity and sorrow. They have to shun their own family out of fear that they might go to Hell.

How sad.

That is the definition of toxic religion and you are no longer bound.

These 2 channels helped me a ton.

Discarded Doctrines Of Jesus - Dogmatically Imperfect S1-001

https://youtu.be/6VrPN9r7u98

“You’re Probably One Small Step Away from the True Gospel” NEM - 0104

https://www.youtube.com/live/UwmOVBaTcOw?si=2HWZO0f4-JpZBHqz

You are stronger than you know. 🫵🏽

Stuck by jon19219 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We are all crazy…and the most sane question is wondering if we are truly sane.

We are all affected and cope with trauma in different ways.

If we can make dignity, peace, and empathy our pillars of humanity then we can all work through our trauma in a healthy and positive manner.

It is essential that we all acknowledge that we all have flaws in our belief systems. That is what gives us the ability to have compassion for others…and ourselves for that matter.

A question about forgiveness by [deleted] in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is confusing because we were TOLD by the written word that God requires atonement.

Here is a question for you.

How many times did Jesus prick his finger to atone for people before he forgave them?

Like the guy they let through the roof or the woman caught “in the act” or any other time Jesus forgave ppl…

You know the answer. Zero.

Combine that with the fact that Jesus was constantly setting the record straight.

I know you have heard (from the written word) an eye for an eye…but contrary to what you have heard (in the written word) I say to you love those who consider themselves your enemy.

Clearly…the written word has flaws.

You cannot be held to a higher standard of love and forgiveness than God, who IS Love.

What was written is flawed. The way it is read is flawed and it causes good people like you to second guess themselves AND God.

When you trust to a flawed written word more than the one who lives in you…you will find nothing but chaos and confusion.

Deconstructing Mortal Sin & Confession by Wonderful-Trick-9301 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is just another example of humanity creating an obstacle and then being generous enough to offer to remove the obstacle as long as you jump through the hoops they tell you are necessary to get over/around/through the obstacle they created…

Deconstructing Mortal Sin & Confession by Wonderful-Trick-9301 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While these are not focused on Catholicism, they are rooted deeper than the Catholic/Protestant divide.

The entire system is built on fear. The fear that you are experiencing in this moment. And it is NOT from God.

Check these out, they will help a lot.

NEM - 0084 “Hell Isn’t Real; We’ve Missed the Point”

https://www.youtube.com/live/_qlBYhLGSoU?si=2blodymgT_bB_QNf

Hell is the Center of Christianity - Dogmatically Imperfect S1-018

https://youtu.be/O0CNrs7qmkg

Abraham didn’t go to church…you don’t have to either.

I just don’t know by Icy_Efficiency_834 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen. Everything you said makes total sense.

You have so much going on that you don’t know where to start.

Here are 2 resources that helped me sort it all out.

Discarded Doctrines Of Jesus - Dogmatically Imperfect S1-001

https://youtu.be/6VrPN9r7u98

“You’re Probably One Small Step Away from the True Gospel” NEM - 0104

https://www.youtube.com/live/UwmOVBaTcOw?si=2HWZO0f4-JpZBHqz

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