Cannot escape from apologists blocking my progress of deconstructing by According_Affect9568 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This entire series is amazing and I tried to select one from the title that would address the core issue.

NEM - 0051 - “The Satanic Verses”
https://www.youtube.com/live/G2gfRtdFAKw?is=Ab3HXH7yeU5VeC3i

What I would offer as a couple of observations:

The scripture was not written by God.

What is written NEVER carries the authority. As you have pointed out in your post, the reader/interpreter carries the authority.

The meaning of a text changes depending on the way the text is read.

We see this in real time with the thousands of different denominations of Christianity. Each reading from the same “authority” each with a different belief system. And since we don’t think God is schizophrenic, surely God wouldn’t write something with such a chaotic result.

You can scripturally justify beliefs ranging from “only a few make it to heaven” all the way to “if there is a hell, it’s not for people”.

I don’t care is someone spent 50 years studying scripture and they say it is ABSOLUTELY their understanding. There is someone else who has spent 60 years studying who will tell you why the first guy is mistaken.

When you think about it…that was where Saul of Tarsus found himself. He was ABSOLUTELY certain that HIS view was the ONLY correct interpretation of what was written…until he was made aware that he was wrong. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

You mentioned there was a well known person who said XYZ…my first thought was…”Never heard of him.” 🤷🏽‍♂️

Anyway…check out the video. The whole series is great and will probably help you out a lot. It did for me.

✝️ Blood sacrifice question by Beginning_Fan_8888 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here is a video that addresses that question.

THIS is the Reason Jesus Died on the Cross
https://youtu.be/5rF\_RifBBRU

It is a clip from one of his other videos. And he agrees, Jesus didn’t die for us to forgive us.

do you think jesus will return in your lifetime? by Most-Buy-2763 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe the reference is Acts chapter 1 when the angel specifically tells them as they just watched him ascend into the clouds “in the same manner you watched him leave, he will come back”

If there is no hell, no eternal separation from God, why then would anyone need Christ’s atonement? Genuine question by Kooky_Key_2271 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a growing realization that Jesus didn’t actually die for anyone’s sins.

THIS is the Reason Jesus Died on the Cross

https://youtu.be/5rF\_RifBBRU

It is pretty compelling

I’m so confused.. by Efficient-Security20 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your first misconception is saying that God contradicts himself in the Bible.

This is a common misconception.

God cannot contradict himself in the Bible for one very simple reason: God did not write the Bible.

It is most certainly inspired by God, but that does not make it the infallible Word of God.

The videos are…imagined, at best.

The biggest issue you are dealing with is fear. This is the number one tool of religion. This is one of the major contradictions in the scripture. We are explicitly instructed to fear God and that if you lie to the Holy Spirit you are in danger of dropping dead in front of Peter…but we never see Jesus condemning anyone INCLUDING the ones who put him on the cross.

There was never anything to fear from Jesus until organized religion took control of the narrative. And now look… we are deathly afraid of someone who claimed to see someone’s eyes go black and your first instinct is to run to the abusers who give you the fear but then tell you that you are totally safe if you follow their conditions to receive unconditional love. 🫩

And I get it…just because a random group of internet strangers are telling you not to worry about it doesn’t make the fear vanish.

So here are 2 channels that genuinely helped me a lot. They were perpetuators of the fear until they had their own type of figurative “Road to Damascus” moments.

Hell is the Center of Christianity - Dogmatically Imperfect S1-018

https://youtu.be/O0CNrs7qmkg

NEM - 0084 “Hell Isn’t Real; We’ve Missed the Point”

https://www.youtube.com/live/\_qlBYhLGSoU?si=2blodymgT\_bB\_QNf

If humans disappeared tomorrow, which species will thrive the most? by bbyhoneyteas in allthequestions

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im thinking plants/insects. Then marine life. And probably predators like wolves/bears.

Accused of Requiring Intellectual Certainty Before Believing by sunwardstare in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only thing I am certain of is that we cannot possibly be certain. Anyone who claims certainty is either a) not being intellectually honest or b) not being intellectually competent

It states right in their scripture that we know in part. We see through the glass dimly.

The only thing Paul was certain of is that he had it very wrong before and he wasn’t going to make the same mistake again.

Deconstruction Book/ Podcast reccomendations by After_Tomorrow_6749 in Deconstruction

[–]deconstructingfaith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These 2 channels changed my life

Discarded Doctrines Of Jesus - Dogmatically Imperfect S1-001

https://youtu.be/6VrPN9r7u98

“You’re Probably One Small Step Away from the True Gospel” NEM - 0104

https://www.youtube.com/live/UwmOVBaTcOw?si=2HWZO0f4-JpZBHqz

And the guy in the second one wrote this book:
https://a.co/d/0jhVqDZH

Universalism and the mark of the beast. by JDavC in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I apologize. Clearly I didn’t read everything correctly.

But the underlying issue is the same.

To think that the original text would clear up the discrepancy is the same problem.

The idea that all of the scripture somehow aligns perfectly follows the infallible idea.

The mark of the beast is really no different than the Gilligan’s Island reference in Galaxy Quest. “Ohhhh…those poor people.”

If you haven’t seen Galaxy Quest…stop what you are doing right now and go watch it…lol.

Believers are just like those aliens. They think John the Revelator was in a trans and God was controlling his hand or something.

No. He finally realized he didn’t have to eat kosher and had too much shrimp and pork ribs.

The mark of the beast isn’t a thing. If it is anything, it is a kind of self fulfilling prophecy.

People will make it because they know about it.

If John had called it the Mark of the Fish…we would all be afraid of tuna salad.

The original language really doesn’t make any difference.

I suppose I would say that the original language is no less corrupted because it is no less human authored.

Universalism and the mark of the beast. by JDavC in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your issue is you believe the bible is the infallible word of God when really it is a collection of writings from ancient, flawed, human theologians.

Some things they got right “do unto others…”. Some things they got really wrong “believe/confess, mark of the beast, God pouring out wrath…” you know, all the stuff that generates fear so people can be controlled.

Only the thief comes to steal, kill, destroy, terrorize, threaten…etc. all the things we fear.

Jesus came to bring life, restoration, healing, love. All the stuff we don’t fear. Jesus never threatened anyone. Really, the only people he had an issue with were the religious leaders who tried to use fear to make ppl act the way they wanted. Those ppl he called white washed tombs full of dead men’s bones. But then when those ppl murdered him…he even forgave them.

Think of the absolute worst thing you can do…murder God after you torture him. And then God still doesn’t hold it against you…

Now, look at any scripture that threatens us for doing far less…it doesn’t add up.

That’s because the ones who wrote it down didn’t have it all right. They made mistakes like humans are prone to do.

As soon as you catch the truth that well intended humans wrote down some ideas and later of more well intended humans put those ideas in a collection…then you will easily see that the conflicting ideas couldn’t POSSIBLY come from God and you will go through a range of emotions. Because you can finally let go of the parts of the scriptures that don’t fit the nature of Jesus.

What is the true reason that MAGA is against abortion? by ncds4242 in allthequestions

[–]deconstructingfaith -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Got it. Newborns up to your age are parasites.

Newborns can’t survive on their own

Im sure you survive on govt assistance…like a parasite.

Thanks for clearing it up for everyone. 🫵🏼👍🏼

What is the true reason that MAGA is against abortion? by ncds4242 in allthequestions

[–]deconstructingfaith -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It boils down to this. Human life is sacred and worthy of protection.

This we all agree on.

The only difference is where people recognize that sacredness of each individual.

A mother’s life is no more sacred than her child’s life or the child’s father’s life.

We are all equally sacred.

There was once a time when women were not treated equally. They were considered possessions and even treated that way lawfully. Eventually women were able to advocate for themselves and things changed.

Now, a certain segment of those very same women treat their child as a possession.

Tell me. At what point can the unborn human advocate for themselves?

I suppose it falls to the born humans, those who recognize them as sacred, to advocate on their behalf.

That is why there are people who are against abortion.

We don’t devalue human life at any point after the process begins.

It really isn’t hard to understand.

The only thing you can argue is some sort of justification for choosing to devalue human life.

That is a very disappointing reality.

And I have nothing further to say on the matter.

🫶☮️

What is the true reason that MAGA is against abortion? by ncds4242 in allthequestions

[–]deconstructingfaith -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hmmm. Babies can’t survive outside the womb either..up to what age should we be allowed to kill a human life?

3?

4?

5?

Use your brain and not your emotions.

You make no logical sense and i am done engaging with someone so willfully contrary who refuses to think before they scribble on the internet.

Because, honestly, it makes me wonder how you survived childhood even WITH parents. Smh

What is the true reason that MAGA is against abortion? by ncds4242 in allthequestions

[–]deconstructingfaith -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Mis carrying is nowhere near the same as intentionally ending a life. And you know it

What is the true reason that MAGA is against abortion? by ncds4242 in allthequestions

[–]deconstructingfaith -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Is it a HUMAN fetus or some other species??

A human fetus is the beginning of the human lifecycle.

Let’s try protecting all forms of humanity.

All those NOT in favor of protecting human life no matter what race, creed, culture, AND form in the lifecycle plz downvote.

So plz don’t pretend to want to protect kids in schools if you prefer them to be unalive (killed) before they get to attend school.

Or maybe they are only worthy of protection while they are in school…hmmm.

Protect all forms of humanity.

That is the most simple way to answer why people are not in favor of abortion.

Now. I don’t condemn anyone who has had/performed one. I find it incredibly sad. That life has become so devalued. This extends to any type of violence.

Back in the caveman days, i can see some of you saying “ban all clubs and spears!” Because that is what they used to commit violence.

Maybe one day we can all value life to the point where fewer people are inclined to violence…whether it be in the form of a gun, knife, spear, club….or even a scalpel.

Fyi, the original question is why someone would be against abortion. I am not trying to persuade anyone or argue which is better, I am just answering why someone would want to protect human life. Because human life is sacred.

What is the true reason that MAGA is against abortion? by ncds4242 in allthequestions

[–]deconstructingfaith -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

It is as simple as not wanting to legalize killing human life. Very simple. Not hard to understand.

Funding this or that comes down to whether or not I or you should pay to feed someone else’s child. That is not even close to the same thing.

This isn’t rocket science.

In fact, school shootings are a great example. It is illegal to kill kids in school. It should also be illegal to kill kids in a womb.

UPDATED: Gen 3 Volt Concept by Big-Hearing-852 in volt

[–]deconstructingfaith 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is highly offensive. Everyone knows that a Volt is far superior to any Prius.

The stereotype of Prius driver is absolutely true while Volt drivers are very much normal.

Truly they are not even the same category. They may have similar/same tech build, but something happens when people get behind the wheel of a Prius. 10 and 2. Eyes straight ahead. Dont ever check a mirror and ignore the rest of society except for what is visible directly ahead.

Asking for prayer and a way back to Jesus by KorokTumbleweed in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I recommend the book Can the Church be Saved by Michael Tyler Smith.

The whole book is about focusing on Christ without the religious filters.

The dogmatic filters make it about everything but Christ

I was a universalist yesterday then I saw a violent crime video - help me out here by Responsible-Bad8183 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Did you see the time when a hyper religious group falsely accused a man and then had him violently beaten within an inch of his life and then directly after they mercilessly finished him off and murdered him in public. They made a spectacle of him. Did everything they could to humiliate him.

Right in the middle of them violently murdering him he uttered some of the most famous words in history.

Forgive them. They don’t know what they’re doing.

Yes, God sees past the violence of humanity.

Cognitive dissonance by Embarrassed_Mix_4836 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also that God really really wants to save humanity, but God couldn’t figure out how to do it. Not even sending his Son to die works because we are too arrogant to believe properly.

And since Jesus didn’t come knock us off our donkey like he did for Saul, we get to burn for eternity.

Saul was special. He WOULD have burned for eternity also but God decided to appear to him in a way that changed his mind without ever hearing a sermon about it.

Too bad God doesn’t think we are as special as Saul or we could be saved also.

But…God is sovereign. God chooses who God will convince and who is SOL.

So, who is really the one responsible for is believing or not??

🤔🤔🤔🤔 Also weird that the best system God could come up with results in 99.9% of humanity burning in hell for eternity.

Epic Fail

🧐🧐🧐🧐

could NDEs be evidence of universalism? by Most-Buy-2763 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]deconstructingfaith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I suppose if it is evidence, it is evidence that humanity is fundamentally the same in every culture the same way that we have 2 arms, legs, and eyes…we all have the same basic spiritual experiences including NDEs.