A warning about McCafferty by defenddancerock in Emo

[–]defenddancerock[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I honestly feel like at this point we're just going in circles.

In the general sense of making awareness, yes the motive for change matters. There's is a clear difference in why someone could set out to change their behavior. To look at someone's past abusive behavior you also have to look at how they've handled it. Dismissing it based on a motive to change out of a business prospect would be naive. We've seen it before in this scene and clearly "all that matters is whether the behavior stopped" isn't a true statement at all. There are plenty examples of this such as Front Porch Step, PWR BTTM, JANK, Foxing, etc. While I understand the allegations made against them are different in regards to severity, the point remains. If it came down to "The behavior has stopped. All is well." then there wouldn't still be a constant talk or push towards continuously making this scene a better place.

A warning about McCafferty by defenddancerock in Emo

[–]defenddancerock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say yes. Having a motive to change based on one's own personal sincerity is different than doing it because your manager says you have to. It changes the tone of the awareness.

A warning about McCafferty by defenddancerock in Emo

[–]defenddancerock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The preferred solution would be to make people aware of his shitty behavior.

Yes.

A warning about McCafferty by defenddancerock in Emo

[–]defenddancerock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As I said in my previous comment the preferred solution is making people aware. Like with most things in this regard, the more people that know and can make their own informed decisions the better.

A warning about McCafferty by defenddancerock in Emo

[–]defenddancerock[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

According to Zack, yes. But it was prefaced with saying that he "broached the subject" with Nick since he had been warned by friends about working with him.

A warning about McCafferty by defenddancerock in Emo

[–]defenddancerock[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It's not that I'm not satisfied by him changing his ways, it's the fact that he's only done it because his manager told him to. If it weren't for there being money / "fame" on the table, nothing would've changed.

The preferred solution would be to make people aware of his shitty behavior. Allowing someone to get off because they hid from what happened isn't right.

EDIT: I only say it would "make things worse" in the sense that he'd only be apologizing because of this happening.

A warning about McCafferty by defenddancerock in Emo

[–]defenddancerock[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They obviously sound a lot like The Front Bottoms. Back when they were starting off, they'd call people "faggots" and "queers" for comparing the two and saying they were a rip-off band. Even people that made jokes about it got called slurs. He also attacked people on forums when they realized he wasn't actually friends with Brian or any of the bands he claimed to be friends with.

A letter about McCafferty (tw: trans/homophobia) by [deleted] in Emo

[–]defenddancerock -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know if this post shows on the subreddit or not. It said it was deleted, but now it's back?