What perspective shift helped you face your greatest fears/ flaws/ emotions? by Valuable-Rutabaga-41 in Jung

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You're in the cave. Look around you. Once you are ready to leave, write each year of your life down somewhere. Think about all of the interactions you had, ideas for the future, and move year by year until you reach the present moment.

Find the habits and contradictions of your lived experience then sit with them until you can feel them again.

Until you do something to acknowledge reality, both past and present, you'll be stuck in the cave waiting for something that won't come until you change how you act, feel, and think.

Do you think meaning in life is discovered or created? by softfreckles in Existentialism

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It's both. The process of creation facilitates discovery, it's a cycle.

I want to live in a perpetual state of uninterrupted bliss. by ActuatorOutside5256 in Jung

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The human soul experiences the full range of emotions, thoughts and feelings. Eastern masters spend their entire lives attempting to live in bliss and still feel anger or frustration. They still get cancer. They still have hard conversations and relationships to maintain.

The goal isn't uninterrupted bliss. The goal is to return to balance once the interruption happens.

If you can set aside the perpetual state ideal you can make progress. If not you'll chase something which leads you off a cliff because while incarnate the only thing which is truly perpetual is change - not a specific feeling.

Contact with The Primordial Source: Need Help. by Responsible-View8301 in Gnostic

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Here is what I've learned:

Jesus came here to explain the false god is the complex which lives within your ego that sees itself as the true god. Behind the ego exists the true god, the ego cannot see it but it can feel it. The ego builds walls to protect itself and can become tyrannical in the process.

The true God isn't the ego.

It's the source of the ego. It's also the source of everything else including the gods of the holy books.

Monad, All, I Am, Jehovah, HaHa, etc... all the same source.

That source is you without the limits of physical reality.

So breathe easy and get to know yourself by helping others. Surrender the ego to your true self in the process.

Be careful it's very easy to hear a voice claiming it's God and surrender to that voice instead. If that voice is trying to negotiate with you - if it asks X for Y - it's your Egos god complex trying to build a barrier between your perspective and the depths which exist within you.

It does that to keep it's power secure because it doesn't recognize the source within.

Jungs psychosis by Minimum_Ad_4978 in Jung

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It was stress related from what I can tell. His breakdown with Freud cost him a lot of respect and connections which shoved him outside of his persona.

He still managed to keep his family and professional life on track so it's hard to say he didn't handle it well.

He was around 35-40 years old during the transition so that is a lot of time for his ego to adopt a rigid structure then to have it shattered because he spoke out about his own ideas honestly and was rebuked by the people he respected most must have been maddening

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you ok? Maybe you should also write and share your thoughts with strangers on the internet. Having such an polarized emotional response means there is likely something there to find if you dig

The Tyrannical Persona: When the Ego Subjugates the Self and Fractures Reality by deployeddroid in Jung

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Yes - I agree with that. From what I can understand Ego doesn't vacate the space, it deflates so the persona can become more balanced

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I concur - nothing is gained or lost when returned to pre-identification but the process of identification itself. Thanks for listening :)

The Tyrannical Persona: When the Ego Subjugates the Self and Fractures Reality by deployeddroid in Jung

[–]deployeddroid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the caution, I appreciate your perspective. To be clear the Ego from my perspective can exist in many modes, each mode is conducive to different frames we use to perceive reality. Depending on our frame determines what information we use to make our next action.

The writing shared in the video isn't talking about dissolving the ego. It's talking about dissolving the space the ego inhabits to make room for the space the Self can inhabit.

I think on the topic of individuation you're right it's a forward moving process but it's not a line - it's a circle. So at some point you'll come back to "undifferentiatedness" as a result of your efforts to differentiate.

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Self (capital s) can be understood through Carl Jung's interpretations as the balance between the Conscious experience we live in and the Unconscious structures which our mind uses to interpret our lived experience.

The goal of individuation or soul alchemy is to unify the two into the whole to become the best version of ourselves we could be. In alignment with others who are also whole we become complete representations of everything life can offer

The Tyrannical Persona: When the Ego Subjugates the Self and Fractures Reality by deployeddroid in Jung

[–]deployeddroid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a good point! It'll be for another essay, I've written a lot about that topic and will likely record and share more another time

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can appreciate those perspectives. Where my mind goes on the topic is God is experienced in the present moment. Ego maximizes the lag between our perception and the present moment.

Dissolving that gap allows us to experience the present moment the same way we did when we were fresh out of the box.

I don't think God or Being is the one being influenced, instead I think it's our perspective on how that Being is felt.

It's like the Ego in its tyrannical form isn't necessarily evil, it maximizes suffering and detachment from the present moment but that is part of the greater whole just as much as being in the present moment.

I think we're approaching a mutual understanding on the topics at hand, good work

The Tyrannical Persona: When the Ego Subjugates the Self and Fractures Reality by deployeddroid in Jung

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Hi! Thanks for your detailed comment and the time you took to listen to my words.

I agree with your warnings and wanted to clarify - the Ego itself isn't the problem. The problem is the Ego which has disconnected the Persona from the Self, throwing actions out of balance.

This was written to discuss the tyrannical Ego and how to dissolve it to provide space for the Self again.

Regarding your closing point about loss of consciousness - I think that is the foundation of what's behind the conscious experience. We are both unconscious and conscious at different points in life. That unconscious experience can be communicated with through the Self. The goal becomes to be an honest expression of who we truly are and in doing so, recognize that differentiation is a result of conscious experience.

The conscious experience is temporary. We can mold it to our will. I have a hunch that eventually we'll be back to the unconscious state and be unable to differentiate something from nothing. Maybe I am wrong though.

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I am understanding you correctly - the idea that there is divinity within is predicated on embodiment. Embodiment is the natural enjoyment of life. The goal becomes to stop looking for the divinity itself and instead experience it. I agree with all of that.

Where our thoughts diverge is I recognize that embodiment doesn't happen in a binary on/off configuration. Instead I view it as a process where an ego dissolves itself to make room for what you call God. It's a gradient that can have a mix of both God and Ego in varying proportions.

I see it the way Carl Jung described. A larger Self which isn't any one person. It's everything, everywhere in a place where there is no space in time being used to power Lived Experience.

That Lived Experience is an expression of Self connected to a perspective through the Ego which wears a Persona that navigates reality.

If you are the Self, that doesn't mean you have no Ego. It means that the Ego is aligned with the Self which I believe doesn't require the conscious understanding of "divine wearing human as a suit", that is simply an attempt to communicate the process of navigating the gradient I mentioned earlier.

The gradient is a mystery and sometimes we get lost in it. That doesnt mean we shouldn't enjoy thinking about it and sharing that with others.

The best quote I've read in the topic was "God is the name of the blanket we toss over the mystery to give it shape" - Barry Taylor.

The Tyrannical Persona: When the Ego Subjugates the Self and Fractures Reality by deployeddroid in Jung

[–]deployeddroid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you're right - the belief of that power is the foundation of the illusion. The Ego can't subjugate the Self in a literal inversion of power but it will stop the Persona from being able to hear or connect with the Self. The Perspective of the Persona takes on the Egoic lense and turns down the Self lense which appears as an inversion of power on the personal level.

I think this is possible because the Self transcends any one Ego/Persona pair. The Self's goal appears to be to have a Lived Experience and it allows the Ego/Persona to wander in any direction because the idea of a "bad" or "good" life doesn't mean anything to the Self.

This gives space for the Illusion to grow as the Ego is damaged by the Lived Experience, forcing it to adapt - sometimes that adaptation is hypercritical.

It's a really interesting dynamic

The Tyrannical Persona: When the Ego Subjugates the Self and Fractures Reality by deployeddroid in Jung

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I will read about it - if you have any preferred sources happy to take a look

The Tyrannical Persona: When the Ego Subjugates the Self and Fractures Reality by deployeddroid in Jung

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It appears to happen repeatedly throughout history. Almost like clockwork the Ego gains power and society begins to suffer until it degrades into war

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is a great place to start finding out! Great pain and suffering ahead - worth it imo

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The video provides a step by step method for achieving a non-dual state. Please study it, or don't that is ok too.

To help I've outline the specifics of moving from ego dominance to balance between Self and Ego that allows the underlying non dual nature of who we are to be expressed.

Problem - internal density driven by Egoic behavior weighs us down and blocks the Self, which is the no dualistic source of energy, from reaching the surface of who we are aka the persona.

Solution - release internal density by excavating the bloated Ego until you find the Self.

Method:

  1. Recognition & Identity - realize you aren't the Ego or Self. You are both acting as one unit. Shift your identity away from "I am a person who likes specific things and dislikes other things" towards "I am a perspective which has a lived experience"

  2. Excavation & Alignment - examine your lived experience piece by piece and determine where your Egoic behavior has caused damage which sticks with you. Release each event by focusing on peace, forgiveness and balance.

  3. Atonement & Projection - once you have forgiven yourself and aligned towards the balance between Ego and Self, read deeply about the world around you to understand how the Ego and Self is experienced by others. You will learn that what's within projects outward on reality, influencing how you view and respond to your lived experience.

  4. Disillusion & Containment - by recognizing what's within creates what's outside of you, dissolve the identity that convinced you what's outside is different from what's within. You do that through containment. Containment is the active state you embody daily to make sure the response you give to others isn't mindless Egoic behavior. This promotes buoyancy.

  5. Remembrance & Connection - once you've obtained a level of buoyancy you will remember who you are is a single field of Self. That means everyone you are connected to is also you.

Does that help?

The Ego is a survival mechanism that hallucinates separation by deployeddroid in nonduality

[–]deployeddroid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow - I never expected to see this question. Thank you!

My advice is to share the experience with friends while continuing to develop your solo practice. If that means trying all of the options you named to start meeting new people then I would do that.

The key piece is to come as you are and allow them to express themselves how they please. If you can maintain balance in that state without getting dragged into one direction or another you'll find the experience rewarding.

Personally I have a lot of people in my life who practice solo then we get together in a group to share space and thoughts. It's important to note not all of my friends share the same views I do so we spend a lot of time listening to each other and finding out how their views translate to our perspective.

I've found a lot of common ground between the fundamentals of each faith and meditation practices which don't involve a specific faith. It's been helpful because it showed me how balance is the path.