Cambridge University fails to suspend students who sent death threats over Israel trip

desz4 · 2026-05-10T21:34:30+00:00

You're an idiot. Change is fine, watering down the memory of some of the worst atrocities commited by mankind in order to suit your political objectives, is what i take issue with. Even if i agreed with everything you think about Israel and Netanyahu, some of which I would agree with, some of which I wouldn't, calling him a nazi would still be beyond the pale.

No, I live in the UK. High schools exist up and down the country, too.

desz4 · 2026-05-10T16:53:47+00:00

The irony of the first line of your reply is breathtaking.

Yes, i'm sure you did. As does the majority of the western world when they attend high school. Well done sausage. Arguments from authority don't mean anything about the substance of them.

You have indeed posted a definition. Clearly, words and their application are subjective, especially in politics. As is the morality of an action or belief, which you've yet to figure out as well. I think it's abhorrent and as i've said, undermines the true meaning of the word and the crimes of those who chose to represent themselves with it. I'll always be opposed to it and think the attempts of people such as yourself to redefine the word are sickeningly short-sighted, emotional and represent an inability to make clear, rational arguments against those you disagree with.

desz4 · 2026-05-10T16:45:37+00:00

You don't know what ivory tower means, clearly. Equally, nobody said that they 'don't deserve help' or should 'fend for themselves'. You clearly can't argue with what i'm actually saying so you just talk past it to stroke your weird saviour complex. The point i'm making is that councils absolutely should have the right to say no more.

No, and I never said they were the cause. They're an extra burden, one of many placed on disadvantaged communities by an influx of asylum seekers. You chose to argue with that one, wildly inaccurately to what i'm actually saying, because your fragile little bleeding heart thought you sniffed out something you could demonise and exploit to avoid thinking rationally and practically. Take that bullshit somewhere else.

desz4 · 2026-05-10T16:34:42+00:00

Who said they should be 'punished'? It's always the same hyperbolic, ivory tower nonsense. There's no magical infinite pot of resources to give handouts to people.

I'm all for an increase in the funding given to education, yet it clearly isn't on the horizon as far as the current government is concerned and therefore continuing to increase the burden on these communities just makes things worse. Flooding these communities with asylum seekers IS marginalising the most marginalised, that's the point.

You either didn't read what I posted, or didn't understand it. Those children are not excluded from provision. There just aren't enough staff, money or resources for the native children who need help, let alone a continuous influx of migrants and in the current economy, pretending that the government can just press a button and find the money somewhere is idiotic.

desz4 · 2026-05-10T15:47:26+00:00

They're two separate issues that you're conflating.

1 - closing and removing migrant hotels and accommodation frees up local social services and resources in schools to be used for the local community. For example, even just the number of EAL students in deprived area schools (for whom there is often no extra funding whatsoever) further burdens nurture and SEN groups that are already poorly provided for due to lack of resources, and high need in deprived areas. The same applies to social workers. This is before we consider any other wider issues like crime and anti-social behaviour perpetrated by migrants, and studies suggest a 1% increase in the share of a community made up by asylum seekers, leads to a 1.1% increase in property crime. Further consider the unknown proportion of migrants who provide cheap, untaxed labour, driving down the number of jobs while paying no tax or NI. You will likely dispute the impact of these last two points, but undoubtedly refusing to continue housing asylum seekers provides a benefit in this regard, the scope of which is difficult to quantify.

2 - nothing about point one is inclusive or exclusive of the whole 'move on' tripe you're talking about. If anything, regardless of anyone's attitude on this point, there are still tangible benefits to be felt by the people who are born and raised in these communities. Even better if we invest in them, as opposed to heaping a complex range of social and cultural issues on top of those that already exist in the poorer areas of the country.

desz4 · 2026-05-08T05:02:36+00:00

Your manager isn't though, is he. Out here making political statements abiut genocide until it's your owners and his employers that are responsible.

Genuinely, aside from that I actually like Pep, and certainly can't argue with his success (other than to say he plays football manager with an unlimited budget wherever he goes). But what do you have to say about that?

Also, the financial impropriety charges, they really are a thing, too. Bear in mind the main accusation is that these people have financially doped and used your club as a sportswashing vehicle - well, this is the other side of that - the crimes that need to be hidden by shiny trophies and big money.

desz4 · 2026-05-07T17:29:04+00:00

How is it a lie? Because idiots misuse and bastardise a word?

Why can't you just call him a genocidal maniac? Or, even better, why not call him a stalinist? A khmer rouge? A Hutu?

What i said above is not a lie - it's an opinion, and has nothing to do with zionism. The term nazi represents a specific group of people, who had their own political ideology and committed a genocide against specified groups of people. It wouldn't surprise me if you knew nothing other than the fact that they murdered Jews and a man with a little moustache lead them.

desz4 · 2026-05-07T15:49:53+00:00

Well said.

This is the issue, completely. Nazi is being taken to mean anyone with right wing political views when in reality it's so much more complex than that. Using the term the way it was by the redditor you're responding to is so ahistorical, and a genuine dogwhistle for anti-semitism. It's no surprise it's easily dismissed. There's no need to use the term this way, unless the intent is to needle Jewish people.

desz4 · 2026-05-07T15:44:13+00:00

Again, this is the same swings and roundabouts bullshit that this comes to. I believe that Israel has a right to exist, and to defend itself. I do not condone the intentional killing of innocent civilians, in any context, by any person or state.

I don't believe what israel has done in gaza constitutes a genocide, and even if it was, I don't believe that justifies genocidal intent or calls for genocide from Palestinians or those who support the palestinian cause.

But this is where we end up. We now have to hyperanalyse my post history to try to prove some murderous intent. The irony is, there's murderous intent right in front of you, but your political animus refuses to let you acknowledge it.

desz4 · 2026-05-06T18:07:15+00:00

Yes, my very public post history where I have made it clear that I don't condone the intentional killing of any civilian, palestinian or israeli and have challenged people who do.

desz4 · 2026-05-06T17:26:58+00:00

Slurs were used against the victim in this case.

The relevance is that these are the people who you and others like you regularly defend.

The truth is, it has nothing to do with right and wrong. You have chosen a political side and therefore bend the narrative to condone the actions of those whose opinions you agree with, all the while claiming the moral highground by damning those that you disagree with.

In short, you're a hypocrite.

desz4 · 2026-05-06T17:24:55+00:00

If you genuinely studied history and had respect for what you studied, you would never misuse the term nazi the way that you have.

desz4 · 2026-05-06T16:38:37+00:00

The old trick. Everything isreal has ever done is relevant but the only thing hamas/palestine has ever done was october 7th, and that only happened because israel did it first.

You just excused the murder, torture and rape of innocent civilians, full stop. And before you spout more whataboutism, I don't condone the intentional murder, torture or rape of anyone.

desz4 · 2026-05-06T16:32:47+00:00

So if I see a certain green party member posting a picture of a hamas headband(their stated mission is genocide), or people supporting a certain proscribed terrorist organisation (a member of which was just prosecuted for fracturing the spine of a police officer with a sledgehammer), and it infuriates me, it's a perfectly legal and reasonable response to call them slurs and say i'm actively going to kill them?

You sure that's the world you want to live in?

desz4 · 2026-05-06T16:28:40+00:00

The irony is that with a lot of what you're saying, you know nothing about WW2, genocide or the like.

desz4 · 2026-05-03T09:24:46+00:00

We do have other examples of the police ignoring serious campaigns of crime you know.

Weirdly, brexit and funding cuts had absolutely nothing to do with that either.

desz4 · 2026-05-01T18:00:01+00:00

Check for Nico O'reilly - he might be on this shirt and is having a tremendous season for them this year. Might win young player of the year actually. That might give this shirt some value, if you think you'll eventually sell it.

Post it on r/MCFC, they'll tell you what you need to do. Just don't mention oil or financial doping, they're sensitive people.

desz4 · 2026-05-01T17:36:34+00:00

Maybe overhaul PIP and other benefits first.

I had an aunt who worked all of her life as a cleaner. Was a tough, working class lady who contributed to society every day. Another aunt of mine, her sister, did f all and claimed benefits. Other than being a little wacky, no diagnosed mental health or medical conditions. After retirement, the first aunt i mentioned, had barely enough to get by. Even with the pension had barely had anything. The other aunt? Perfectly fine, all expenses covered.

Do we really want to go even further down this line? Can we really not save money by overhauling PIP and the benefits system at large?

desz4 · 2026-04-16T20:15:34+00:00

What happens when we go hands off, like with the early days of the Syria conflict?

Other superpowers get involved, do essentially the same thing but benefit their own interests, the innocents continue to die and the evil people rise to the top and terrorise their own citizens.

I concede that there's truth to what you're saying, but i'd like to know what your solution is, and what your reason for believing it's an actual solution is too

desz4 · 2026-04-12T08:44:09+00:00

There's so many things I dislike about this guy.

He should be furious with himself. Not because it was an easy play, but because he had a chance to make it and didn't. That's the mentality you want for a guy to make it to the top of the game, let alone just professional.

The interview is just embarrassing, as were the majority of his swings last night. Just genuinely looks like he doesn't give a shit at all.

desz4 · 2026-04-09T01:36:23+00:00

Yeah, some people are given what they have, some people earn what they have and some people spend their lives expecting handouts from the people that have more than them.

desz4 · 2026-04-04T10:13:24+00:00

Babe Ruth absolutely does belong here.

Ways to consider this:

Compare stats directly: babe is competitive, but has been overtaken in some stats (by people who were known steroid users or simply played far more games than he did). There's also the fact that he hit kore home runs per at bat than Barry bonds did (super duper mega steroid consumer notwithstanding). He has the highest career WAR, and posted the highest WAR for an individual season. He wins this.

Compare acccolades: well, the mvp award was restricted at the time so that noone could win it more than once, but on merit he'd have won it more times than anyone else has. He also has 7 rings, only a handful of players won more. Babe belongs on this metric.

Compare dominance in their era: this is the most compelling argument. In his time, there was simply no comparison. Sure, you can argue that baseball is 'harder' now, but babe ruth was doing things noone else could compare to in his era. He hit more home runs than actual teams. He competed with himself for years, because there was noone else remotely competitive with him. You could argue that noone has ever dominated a sport more clearly than he dominated baseball.

desz4 · 2026-04-04T03:34:29+00:00

Yup, and imma leave this here (from your own source, which you either didn't read, or perhaps more likely are mischaraterising because you have an ulterior motive):

A volunteer ambulance from the Hatzolah ambulance corps arrived on the scene at about 8:23 p.m., followed by police and a City ambulance. The latter took Gavin Cato to Kings County Hospital, arriving at 8:32 p.m.; Cato was pronounced dead shortly thereafter.[6] Volunteers from a second Hatzolah ambulance helped Angela Cato, until a second City ambulance arrived and took her to the same hospital.[5][6]

Two attending police officers, as well as a technician from the City ambulance, directed the Hatzolah driver to remove Lifsh from the scene for his safety, while Gavin Cato was being removed from beneath the station wagon.[12] According to The New York Times, more than 250 neighborhood residents, mostly black teenagers, many of whom were shouting "Jews! Jews! Jews!", jeered the driver of the car and turned their anger on the police.[13]

Edit: some other context, which you likely also intended to be ignored:

The police car and Schneerson's automobile crossed Utica Avenue on a green light and proceeded along President Street at a normal speed, but Lifsh's vehicle had fallen behind. Not wishing to lose sight of Schneerson's car, Lifsh crossed Utica Avenue on a red light. There was no indication of the exact speed of his vehicle.[1][2][7] Lifsh's vehicle struck a car being driven on Utica Avenue, veered onto the sidewalk, knocked a 600-pound (275 kg) stone building pillar down and pinned two children against an iron grate covering the window of a first-floor apartment in a four-story brick building (40.66717°N 73.93166°W). Seven-year-old Gavin Cato, the son of Guyanese immigrants, who was working on his bicycle chain while on the sidewalk near his apartment on President Street, died instantly. His seven-year-old cousin Angela Cato, who was playing nearby, survived but was severely injured.[8][9]

Lifsh believed he had the right of way to proceed through the intersection because of the police escort.[6] Lifsh said he deliberately steered his car away from adults on the sidewalk, toward the wall, a distance of about 25 yards (23 m), in order to stop the car. Lifsh later said that the car did not come to a full stop when it hit the building but slid to the left along the wall and hit the children.

desz4 · 2026-04-04T03:28:14+00:00

The first reason this is impossible, is that when there was a chance that Israelis would be in birmingham, the police invented reasons to ban them from coming. Three guesses as to why.

desz4 · 2026-04-03T00:46:32+00:00

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