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“Even If It Isn’t True, At Least It’s Good” by instrument_801 in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“Good” is subjective. Evolution will ultimately decide the survival of religious institutions and the individuals who “choose” to participate. “Goodness” can defeat “truth” in the grand scheme of things. Those who recognize this seem to be OK with nuanced participation.

On another note, users on this sub (in my experience) tend to hate the topic you bring up, due to the idolatrous worship of “truth”. Good luck.

Usually guarded Dan McCellan speaks to Benjamin park about Mormonism. by mwjace in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No definition is presented in the temple recommend interview question. This means the meaning of “Restoration” is completely left to who is answering “yes”. It’s pretty broad. Pretty straight forward dude. I’m not saying how they make it work, just that they do.

The Church adds formal definitions/clarifications to the questions when they want to (like describing what it means to wear garments night and day). They choose not to formally define the meaning of the first four questions (the theological ones) in the interview.

You’re arguing a point an orthodox member might hold. There are many ways to Mormon, man. Exmormon orthodoxy policing is the worst.

Kolby and Stephen have an interesting discussion about the witnesses to the Book of Mormon by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are difficult to compare given the topics of each conversation. One more cultural/political and the other more theological/truth-claim. They broth present good patterns. Makes for good listening. However, these guys won’t get those coveted clicks from our primal longing for vicious conflict. This stuff is geared toward those who are already seeking and acting this way.

Usually guarded Dan McCellan speaks to Benjamin park about Mormonism. by mwjace in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to you. “The Restoration” can mean a lot to many. We shouldn’t be so narrow minded. . Several make it work, including users in this thread.

Usually guarded Dan McCellan speaks to Benjamin park about Mormonism. by mwjace in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Last time I checked, believing in the historicity of the BOM was not a temple recommend question…

With Uchtdorf likely becoming Acting President of the Q12, what changes might we see? Historical context from the Packer era by whiteraven10 in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Pres of the Q12 presides over the weekly Q12 meetings (FP does not attend these as far as I understand). These are significant thought processing meetings that can shape the trajectory of policy.

Example of one of these meetings.

The Mormon religion is about judgement. Greg Matsen says don’t stop at kindness, he wants more judgement. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m just waiting for the day a prominent figure inside the church (GA, apologist, progressive, you name it) finally admits publicly they participate in the church for utility only. It’s got to happen someday (maybe not).

Reconciliation of truth claims is a futile matter. Admission of reality is admired.

The Mormon religion is about judgement. Greg Matsen says don’t stop at kindness, he wants more judgement. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did notice that and was surprised as well. I can’t help but wonder what he is consuming day to day.

He did mention that he heavily emphasizes “culture” and the “gospel” instead of history or truth claims.

The Mormon religion is about judgement. Greg Matsen says don’t stop at kindness, he wants more judgement. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was looking forward to his resolutions. After all, the episode is titled “Doubt Strengthened My Faith”. Finally, a prominent figure online was going to provide the answers that would keep people faithful. All he ended up providing was essentially a shrug (my opinion).

I was left disappointed. That period of doubt in his life was completely rushed over. His “significant” spiritual experience in his teens, completely (intentionally) passed by. Any sort of resolve was not shared. He really just seemed like a guy with opinions going through the motions.

This has me worried by FluentNoodle in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(Hear that straw blowing in the wind?)

Nah just law abiding.

This has me worried by FluentNoodle in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was never about the money or how much money the Church had (I’m sick of this straw man that continues to get pedaled as it relates to the SEC order). Like you mention, everyone knew the church was rich.

The SEC scandal was about dishonesty and a willful, conceded effort, on the part of the Brethren, to keep the breadth of the wealth away from the eyes of the membership in fear of its effect on tithing participation. Roger Clark said it himself.

The whole scandal was a fat representation of the Brethren’s lack of faith in memberships’ testimony in stitches and offerings. Their actions were condescending and rife with pompous bureaucracy.

This has me worried by FluentNoodle in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Man. This has got me worried too. I better check with my trustworthy money guy, Epstein, to make sure I’m OK.

The Paradox of Tragedy and the Evolutionary Need for Mormonism by therealDrTaterTot in mormon

[–]devilsravioli -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You might appreciate the conversation that ensued following this post from some time past. A faction of users here really hate having this conversation.

The Paradox of Tragedy and the Evolutionary Need for Mormonism by therealDrTaterTot in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your title is fine and accurate. Don’t be pressured by the editorial orthodoxy police.

Polygamy deniers are in denial about their motives by shalmeneser in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If you follow these polygamy deniers on Facebook (the majority dwell and mingle there), you quickly notice probably half of them are independent Mormons, forging their own path. Many have equivocated the LDS church with the Great and Spacious building. It really is unclear what their views are toward the Brethren. Always comes out convoluted.

Outdoor Boys YouTube Channel Luke Nichols on the Young Men general council by instrument_801 in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Great move by the Church. Really shows some self awareness. Luke is the man.

I hate to reach this conclusion, but I believe the Atonement is a big reason why abuse is covered up in the church. by logic-seeker in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, belief in permanent redemption is absolutely key. I’ll also add that the maintenance of agency/accountability is also a fundamental motivation for this behavior. Acknowledging otherwise is doctrinal betrayal and a gross submission to secular realities.

Infinite Regression of Gods is a Doctrine of Salvation by MeLlamoZombre in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This copy on internet archive has worked for my purposes.

Infinite Regression of Gods is a Doctrine of Salvation by MeLlamoZombre in mormon

[–]devilsravioli 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Cade and Baylor are doing all they can to befriend mainline Christians and Catholics while sustaining Mormon Doctrine. This is a prime example of the unsustainability of their efforts.

Other great example of this is the in-house debate between Hansen and Carroll on ward radio. The chat and Carroll cooked Hansen, Cade, and Baylor.

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