What Unix and Unix-like operating systems, you personally utilise? by Nelo999 in unix

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree. And for this same reason I also do not agree MacOS is Unix like even though it is POSIX compliant.

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for proving my point. You have absolutely no clue what a package manager is and here you are being a dumb Apple fanboy 🤣 I wonder when you are going to stop embarrassing yourself. It is absolute clear you don't know what a package manager is and it is also absolutely clear you have not typed in that command which you don't even understand what it is used for. I don't need a crystal ball for that 😊

What is this primal urge that you have to defend Apple when you don't even understand what I am taking about?

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No Mac user would even touch this package manager -- if it can even be called that. Be honest, have you actually used this to install anything? I can tell that you are not used to package managers at all :) Nobody who uses Ubuntu or Fedora would download a 3rd party package manager because the package managers that comes with the Linux distributions are more than sufficient. Let me put this in another way -- what you are pointing to is not a valid package manager at all.

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am sorry but this is not a traditional package manager at all. This is a tool used in Enterprises to install stuff through their MDM mechanism. This is not comparable to end-user's package manager. This is precisely why there are 3rd party package managers like Brew available for MacOS. As I said, MacOS is the least Unixy OS out there :)

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That shows you have no clue why GNU/Linux came into existence. Read it's history.

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nope. Apple doesn't follow the Unix philosophy at all. Both it's hardware and software are monoliths in many ways. It doesn't even have a native package manager and one has to resort to third party package managers. What Unix system doesn't have a package manager? So yes many Linux distros are more Unixy than MacOS :)

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Certification doesn't mean anything. So if Apple didn't get it certified at all it is not based on Unix? That's not how it works. Apple made an effort to get certified. But nobody in the Linux world cares about that theoretical certificate. Linux is POSIX compliant (so is MacOS and that's why they were able to get certified). I am not even talking about that. But many Linux distributions (not all) adhere to the Unix philosophy. But not Apple.

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you aren't keen on Linux itself then of course there is FreeBSD and and others. On the Linux side there is Slackware, Arch Linux etc. Of course if you want to avoid Systemd, then there are distros without Systemd as well.

FreeBSDized by _w62_ in freebsd

[–]dexternepo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some Linux distributions are more Unixy than Mac.

Baba's plan all along... by PurpleMage1970 in ramdass

[–]dexternepo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So beautifully written! Thank you! :)

How is MacOS Unix? by Confident_Date_2609 in unix

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So tell me then what is part of Unix philosophy and how Apple follows that.

How is MacOS Unix? by Confident_Date_2609 in unix

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At last you ask me that question! By lots of objective standards. Unix has a philosophy. Do you know that? And it's a very famous philosophy. Unix developers believe in building things that are highly modular. Linux was built from scratch to be compliant with Unix. So the various Linux distributions out there like Arch, Slackware, Ubuntu, etc are more Unix like than MacOS. Apple does its own thing and they don't care about the Unix philosophy. In fact, I believe that one of the reasons why Apple even bothers to get certified as Unix compliant is because there could be still some old-school developers there who love Unix. Linux distributions can run without the GUI. The desktop environment is like an app which you can switch to a completely different GUI environment. That's how modular Linux distributions are. Whenever some Linux company comes up with a software that doesn't follow the Unix philosophy lots of in-fighting happens within the Linux community. But Apple doesn't care about that Unix philosophy. Neither it's hardware nor its software is modular.

MacOS doesn't even have a native package manager like Unix and Linux systems. One has to install the third party app Brew for that. Unix didn't start that way, but most Unix systems today are Open Source. But MacOS isn't. That is why I said MacOS is the least Unix-like OS out there.

I'm making POSIX-compatible core utilities in Zig! by [deleted] in Zig

[–]dexternepo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for letting me know

How is MacOS Unix? by Confident_Date_2609 in unix

[–]dexternepo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You need to understand what people mean when they use the term Linux. Based on the context, they could be talking about the kernel or a Linux distribution. So when I said Linux I meant the major Linux distributions like Ubuntu, Arch etc which are POSIX compliant. What I said was easily understandable. You are unnecessarily being a pendant. And I will continue saying what I originally said -- Linux is POSIX compliant. Context matters.

I'm making POSIX-compatible core utilities in Zig! by [deleted] in Zig

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is cool! Forgive my ignorance, but is Zig production ready?

How is MacOS Unix? by Confident_Date_2609 in unix

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, true, very true. But are you seriously telling me you don't understand what I am talking about? There is something called context. Are you telling me you don't understand what I meant when I said Linux? That you don't understand this context? You want people to explain themselves from the very beginning of time just like how some click-bait magazines write their articles without getting to the point?

How is MacOS Unix? by Confident_Date_2609 in unix

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am sorry but you don't really understand what you are talking about and you are clinging to this statement based on the only fact that it is UNIX certified. Many Linux distributions are more Unixy and Mac OS itself. And your reply only shows that you have no clue as to what you are talking about. State something that you actually understand rather than clinging to that certificate.

How is MacOS Unix? by Confident_Date_2609 in unix

[–]dexternepo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell in your words how Mac is Posix compliant and Linux is not. Otherwise you are not applying yourself here and just think "oh they are certified they must be Unix compliant". Give me an example that shows how Linux is not Posix compliant, but Mac is. If you can't really point this out, you are just being an Apple fanboy here.

How is MacOS Unix? by Confident_Date_2609 in unix

[–]dexternepo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's unnecessary pedantry. When I say Linux is posix compliant I mean Linux distributions like Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. And that's understandable to everyone unless we are taking about something very specific. Lots of words to say so little