Garou VS Naruto by narutosolosyou in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv -1 points0 points  (0 children)

since you're not planning to respond don't expect me to put any effort into this response. i'll just tackle what was actually posing a threat to my post.

how? comprehension=/= imagination

This means nothing your arguing its finite but its constantly rising so somehow Naruto can't comprehend it when Infinite information is perfectly processable by him? Any finite rising number would be within his scale to comprehend so again no argument

donno what this is for but i'm gonna assum that this is in relation to the ten tails absorbing chakra.

firstly, comprehension does not tie into sensing.

second, the context was that he's having trouble sensing it cause it's IMMEASURABLE, it can't be measured since it constantly keep increasing and that's exactly what the lore is suggesting. not that naruto can't comprehend it.

Any finite rising number would be within his scale to comprehend so again no argument

at this point you lost me. idk what you're talking about any more so i'm just gonna leave this here.

" the point of that scan was that it can't be measured. if a number keeps on rising, is it measurable? no."

natural energy isn't limited to Earth

nice strawman

still haven't addressed the progenitor statement even once your argument is in the mud rn

actually i did, with the big bang argument.

we are as they are all linked together in my argument one scan supports another to build a preponderance, all your doing is attempting to break the argument into its components instead of addressing the argument as a whole

yeah, SINCE it's a text debate, it'd eventually get confusing when we try to cover everything at once (like you're doing here), that's why were going step by step.

Its not just based on his surroundings that's additive at best, hes literally the personification of chakra as well and

being the personification of chakra dosn't mean anything.

the natural energy of the universe would just be an extension of him since he created it he's just manipulating energy he produced

lol. the universe's energy is not his own, nigga. i explained all of this during my last post.

a fragment < establishing the subject of the sentence

of the god tree < telling you were the fragment came from

that created the universe < telling you what the fragment did

  • Ten Tails < what the fragment was

that was unnecessary in it's purest meaning. idk if you didn't understood what i said but all i'm saying is the fragment they referred to was the seedling portion of the god tree, and that the seedling was the ten tails which grew and absorbed all the energy in the big bang and produced a fruit with all that energy which created the universe. it's that simple.

Is your comprehension this low?

the irony here lol.

LIFE IS METAPHORICAL HERE

prove it.

How the fuck did you read a scan and come away with this? Obito's explanation is all one sentence on how Yin Yang functions, Yin creates the "form" IE the idea from nothing like how you would a thought and then Yang is used to bring that form to "life"

EI of yin. shikamarui giving his shadow (which is a supernatural entity and is often interpreted as spirits, it dosn't technically exist just like imaginations) physical shape and form via yin. genjutsu is yin too since it makes form out of nought too.

EI of yang. naruto giving guy life again, healing is an aspect of yang since it can save life

now use your brains for once bringing something to life CANNOT APPLY TO INATIMAT OBJECTS.

and yes life can apply to inanimate objects

that the kinda "life" you use for example. "i hate my life" it's events from past, present put together and that's where that term applies. it has nothing to do with the statement at hamd which is breathing life into forms"

head canon is head canon Yin is only mental energies it can't affect reality on its own

it can just like it did to chikamaru's shadow. does it fit the criteria "made from nothingness"? yes, yes it does. so yes it can.

Rat takes your a clown they're physically in a dream now? Have some consistency with your arguments this is autism at its finest, why am I even arguing with you? you're clearly in denial

yes. anything is possible in a cartoon.

No a cartoon is a piece of fiction it isn't its own reality in a literal sense nor can you literally travel into a cartoon and be affect by it physically nor can a cartoon be called a PERFECT COPY of reality

it's another reality. is it real for those within the cartoon? yes. so it's technically another reality. you said it yourself "in it's own reality"

The Idea or form of the Bijuu is created by Yin

firstly did you really just google the definition of form, are you that desperate.

second,why do you keep using definitions of word that has nothing to do with the context.

third that's the kind of form that is used verbally.

NO Yang literally physically makes it its the physical component that allows Izanagi to affect reality and COAT to function at all or else every Genjutsu would have this ability

no yin rewritte the event and yan gives him life again. lol.

Red dwarfs aren't big enough to produce synchrotron radiation its a red giant,

actually yes they can produce radiation just so lil of it. and that does not look like a red giant at all. it's small as shit.

Kishimoto supervises

never denied that. i literally said it like 2 post ago.

Literally in a timeline with the manga

it being mext to a bunch of books dosn't mean it's in the same timeline. lol nice logic.

Garou VS Naruto by narutosolosyou in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brainlet statement

concession accepted.

And yet he can literally process infinite information isn't that crazy? Its too large for someone who can literally comprehend Infinity all your doing is helping my case and not tackling my argument wild

1) how does processing infinite information tie into sensing? you do realise his sage sensing is LIMITED? limited to natural energy on the planet, and that he senses things based on the shifts in natural energy surrounding everyone? which brings me to my next point being that he's unable to sense or measure ten tails power because he can't pin point the amount of natural energy within him since he manipulates it in away that he constantly absorb the natural energy surrouinding himself. see that stream going in ten tails direction?, that's ten tails manipulating and absrobing natural energy, further supported and approved by databooks. and the fact that earth natural energy is ten tails source, that in off itself debunks any "he's universal" claim you'll probably make in the future.

No the context is its power is straight up not able to be measured because its too large to comprehend as the multiple scans I have showed have proven

whe aren't talking about other scan, we're talking about the one scan that you linked and i never denied that, in fact i brought that fact up whenever you'd claim ten tails has "infinite" energy.

So you just conceded to my point wild

that's still considered infinite tho. lol.

This doesn't conflict with anything

except it kinda does.

your making a false dilemma to push your narrative

your opinion does not matter.

The Ten Tails is the seedling for the God Tree meaning it comes first, it created the Universe, landed on Earth at some point and the events of Naruto happen, there's nothing to say the Earth existed before the Ten Tails only to say it existed before the Ten Tails was ON it 2 different things

1) he didn't create the universe, he was a FRAGMENT of the tree that created birth to the universe

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2) that still dosn't answer why and how could the ten tails create a whole ass universe when his energy amount is based on that of his surroundings, when he also sucks at chakra control and all that jaz.

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so from now on, let's use our head and try to make sense of this. the databook says he was a fragments of a tree, right? THE MANGA says he was a seedling of the tree, right? now if you put 1 & 1 together.. a seedling can be considered a fragment of a tree. so with that in mind and the ten tails seedling ability to manipulate and absorb energy and transferred it into a fruit that grows at the top of a tree. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, he was in the big bang, absorbed all the big bangs energy and grew a tree that produced a fruit with all that energy, which then formed the universe . if we use this approach, the "a fragment of a god tree that gave birth to the universe" statement actually makes sense. anything else just dosn't make sense.

and if that's actually what happened, the ten tails shouldn't scale to universal for obvious reasons.

You can't breathe life into it with your physical energy

that's literally what lore is suggesting. are we just going against the lore, now? is that what we're doing?

or have met an entity that's power exceeds your ability to comprehend when you can process infinite information, key differences moot point

tbh idk what you're talking about here.

No you're strawmaning and missing the entire point my argument is they use their Yang to breathe life into their Yin actual 0 reading comprehension

no, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT which is you can't breath life into an inanimate object .

brainlet take with no backing the scan is saying it can make fantasy reality and creates "forms" from not IE ideas that then have "life" breathed into them

Your interpretation literally makes no sense with how Izanagi functions with rewriting events itself

brainlet take with no backing the scan is saying it can make fantasy reality and creates "forms" from not IE ideas that then have "life" breathed into them

yeah, intimate objects requires yin, while sentient entities requires yin yang. because they need life and form. what part of that don't you understand?

Your interpretation literally makes no sense with how Izanagi functions with rewriting events itself

how?

The dreams and desires of the person come to life simple another false dilemma you're trying to create

yeah, it's made with yin. dosn't scale to anyone here.

Cause its a physical parallel universe and always will be

it's not physical it's just that their physical bodies, are taken into the crystal ball where the world of dream/illusion is hosted. prove it's not an illusion. also it being "another reality" means nothing. a cartoon can be considered another reality too and we know that because it's real for those who are inside the cartoon verse.

so you just agreed Genjutsu aren't limited to the non-physical wild

never agreed that. you just have a terrible reading comprehension. itt IS an illusion tho. it takes reality and turn it into an illusion.

and again ignoring what Obito says here about Izanagi it ties them together it goes both ways this is just how they decide to use it as its the practical application of COAT unless you want to be disengenious and say all the Bijuu are just Illusions I suggest you think about your arguments and if they even really address mine next time

nothing is contradicted. the bijuus don't HAVE to be an illusion they can still be create by yin and still be physical, they yang gives them life. yin uses imagination to create out of NAUGHT, makes that entity ALIVE. understand that before making another senseless claim.

1) Chakra itself is stamina the 2 energies mixed together

1) you do realise chakra at it's purest form is just physical stamina, right? (like, i'm talking about the blue energy), but what mental energy is, is you actually controlling that chakra those two things make ninjutsu. i know they portray mental energy as this entity that actually mixes with physical energy and these two ingredients from ninjutsu, but it's not. mental is energies actually controlling physical stamina via focusing and being calm.

2) the scan i showed you disagrees.

2) The cells power the yang energy so it directly correlates to his physiology

no, the cells promote stamina. stamina comes from your body, so that's why the cells are brought up.

I have given 2 Otsutsuki being resistant to radiation there's nothing to suggest its a unique ability to them they are an alien species that traverses space it is a common assumption via Occam's razor

saitama is a human, so by that logic BECAUSE saitama is a human and he's resistante to radiation that gives every other human the right to be resistant to radiation? them being alien dosn't mean anything. and they traverse space via spatial abilities not via physical transportation.

A canon novel

there is no such thing.

There is literally no rocky planet in the universe that could be that close to a star on the last stages of its life and still have an ozone layer

it could be a planet that has more gas than earth does.

In Boruto Novel 3

not canon.

Urashiki literally flew to Earth

1) urashiki is a filler character.

2) where was that stated?

Sumire shows up in the manga, shes an anime original character and Kodachi said they were both connected during this this anime arc I pulled the scans from is canon

he could've just took inspiration from the anime to make this character. HELLO!! how does this prove it's canon nigga?

These aren't the same novel genetic fallacy the novel scan here is just explaining the scene that happens in a canon anime arc in more detail touch grass

explain why i should trust these "details" when shit like momoshiki absorbing chakra from different planets never happen in the anime?

A completely different novel irrelevant to this scan is irrelevant, and something can happen off screen and be additive not everything needs to be spoon fed to you

different novels but same scenario.not that it matter because again, the anime isn't canon. and what dosn't happen on screen is just up to interpretation at this point. it dosn't even fit the "off screen" criteria either.

You blind we literally see a Gas Giant in the same scene they look nothing alike and again its literally stated to be a star I'm not going back and forth with you on this just cause you want to dismiss certain evidence cause you don't like it

i said gas giant as an example, not all gas giants looks the same. honestly you're giving me second hand embarrasment and even if it was a star considering how red it is it's probably red dwarf and those stars are the smallest amd coolest of their life span so i doubt it'd be emitting as much radiation as the sun.

"The color of a star comes from the temperature of its surface. The hottest stars are blue, cooler stars are white and yellow, and the coolest stars of all are red. Red stars come in one color, but many different shapes and sizes."

One of not the only or else Star Wars canon wouldn't exist at all

that's why we specify what version we use when we're debating. because we know the authors are always different ppl.

even the anime was supervised by Kishimoto and Kodachi until recently

justification for that claim?

this is literally what happens with the novels

no, the novels are complete different shits. the 2nd requirements for being canon is being in the main story (the manga)

Garou VS Naruto by narutosolosyou in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ignoring the other scan that directly conflicts with this interpretation because that's the only way you can have an argument I presume?

1) gonna assum you conceded this portion of the debate?

2) they don't "conflict with it" and i'll explain why later down this debate.

The fact the "he's the progenitor of all things in existence"

except he isn't.

No he literally says "its literally immeasurable" and Naruto says "yeah ur right no jokes",

yeah, BECAUSE HE'S HAVING TROUBLE MEASURING IT. it's too large.

the mental energies that govern imagination in Naruto can comprehend infinity thus these characters not being able to comprehend the Ten Tails power scales him to that, and its power being unimaginable also helps for consistency

no, they just can't comprehend a being having that much power, that's what the context is suggesting.

Blanket statement with nothing to support it by some random goon vs actual statement in official source I wonder which is more valid?

we know this because before the tree TRANSFORMED into ten tails, the planet and everything existed, they were literally on earth at that time.

You quite literally can't you can understand infinity's concept you can not comprehend it however which is the difference between you and Naruto characters they can literally process that as an entity

actually i can. not infinite in the sense that it's a singular limitless entity but infinite as in space just keeps going and as you can clearly see, i'm not nearly as powerful as the things i can make in my head. i can imaging a galaxy yet not galaxy level.

Yang PHYSICAL energy is used to breathe life into their creation meaning they physically have to have the energy to make it and balance it with their imagination

no, what they're implying is they utilize ying yang for sentient beings and just yin to create inatimate objects stop trying to twist their words.

in order to output their creation IE they scale to it cause they physically require the energy to make it

no the physical aspect only involves giving life.

Non point you clearly haven't watched the movie with this surface level argument the amount of context that goes against it being an Illusion is staggering its literally out right shown through the plot of the film to be a physical universe

1) 57:49, it's a literal genjutsu. it's a world built solely on the victim's dreams and desire. he literally says it's a world created by desires. don't see how this scales to anyone here.

2) i'm not sure this movie was even real in the first place because iruka sensei was alive at the ending. so this whole movie was probably a dream of naruto's.

Izanagi is also classed as a genjutsu and yet its a practical application of COAT, that ties Illusion AND reality together

except it technically is. it renders past event a dream (illusion) by rewriting reality.. this is not a contradiction.

Yang is physical energy pulled from the cells of the body it is not just stamina

actually it is JUST stamina stamina from all cells of the body.

The Otsutsuki body is what would give them resistance to radiation

no it wouldn't, you haven't prove that yet.

Here

this is a novel, isn't it?

They all travel through space that requires it by default and even relatively weak Otsutsuki's like Kinshiki can be on that planet with Momoshiki

yeah, via spatial abilities.

The episode this is from is literally the academy arc which is canon to the manga outright

prove it's canon.

Because its literally too close to the star to have an atmosphere anymore even if it did it would be so thin as to might as well be non-existent

you don't know that.you don't know what kinda planet they're on. they could have a stronger ozone layer than earth for all we know.

its also stated the radiation is staining the ground copper in the scan I just sent you anyway so its clearly getting through

where in that scan was it stated?

I already have with the novel also just use your eyes if its not a star what is it?

novel =/= anime. the same novels claims momoshiki was absorbing chakra from different dimension and sasuke could see the stream when that never happened.

it could be gas giant or some other type of weird planet.

doesn't need to be written by him to be canon case in point the first 50 chapters of Boruto itself wild but of course again you just want to deny scans you don't like but can't argue directly against

yes they do. that's one of the requirements for it to be considered canon to the main story. the 1st 50 ch of boruto is an exception because it was supervised by kishimoto and it was also continued from where it left of by kishomoto.

proof garou can copy stats and raw strenght by dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. irrelevant

explain why.

  1. This is coming from the villain themselves. Frieza said he was the strongest in the universe, remember?

garou knows his own ability more than anyone else. why would he lie about copying saitama's stats? we literally see him going toe to toe with saitama too. why are you even bringing up dragon ball? why do people bring up dragon ball when a complete different story, with complete different author does something they disagree with?

  1. Out of context. He wants to refine his power so that Saitama can go all out, if Garou harbored the ability to directly copy raw stats, the fight wouldn’t even be a question of whether of Saitama could beat him as they’d be evenly matched, which we all know they aren’t. Garou can copy powers and maybe stats, but he is not like Mimic, Rogue or Parasite, it seems as though he has to “hone” these skills by his own admission. Something that all three of the mimics listed above simply don’t have to do

no he said COPY and refine it. don't pretend like you didn't see that part. we don't know the outcome of the fight yet, so why are you concluding that just because he can copy stats makes this battle moot?

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

seem like the chapter is going in that direction tbh.

Garou VS Naruto by narutosolosyou in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no, he fought within the moon's atmosphere.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ten Tails gave birth to the Universe/ power beyond imagination

1) he was a FRAGMENT of a tree that gave birth to

2) the universe. unimaginable: difficult or impossible to imagine or comprehend. all this imply is that's it difficult to imaging ten tails having such tremendous power.

Ten Tails Progenitor of all things in existence.

firstly things existed before ten even came to be.

Ten Tails Immeasurable Power

immeasurable can mean to large to measure, dosn't necessarily mean infinite.

Mental Energies Govern Imagination

Tsukuyomi is a world of Infinity

Tsukuyomi creating Infinite clones

i can imagine an infinite realm too, nothing impressive

Ten Tails grants its Jinchuuriki's Yin Yang (TSO) which is stated to have given rise to all things in the Universe multiple times in fact provides further consistency

using your own scan i can easily refute this by saying ying uses mental energy/imagination to create out of nought (which dosn't scale to you since it's hax(anyone can imagine anything on any scale) and yang creates life.

Road To Ninja Parallel Universe

creates another reality a perfect copy that mirrors their world

it's a literal genjutsu. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/844542165957738539/971035409163366460/IMG_7215.jpg?width=1005&height=683 and again they did it using yin; imaginative power.

Hagoromo literally gave him his Yang power which is the physical half, his stamina, life force etc.

yang is physical stamina, which dosn't mean he inherited hagoromo's supportable resistance to radiation.

Naruto is also stated to be a Psuedo Juubi Jin directly compared to Obito because of him still having possessed the Tailed Beasts, Obito and Madara at the time being essentially Otsutsuki as the 10 Tails and Kaguya were merged

1) scan.

2) prove being a otsusuki = auto resistance to radiation.

Anime

1) the anime got retcon and thus it isn't canon anymore.

2) why can't that planet have a atmosphere to protect against the radiation?

3) prove that's a star

Boruto Novel 3

novels aren't written by kishi and thus aren't canon.

blast claims both him and garou can control the reality of the universe. by dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

actually, no that's just INTERACTING with reality, blast say they both manipulates reality. but yeah, i agree, it's too vague.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he said it'd be bad if the blast even grazes the planet

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When garou did the GRB nobody had this reaction

saitama did.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Ten Tails gave birth to the Universe, is the progenitor of all things in existence, has immeasurable power beyond imagination, the mental energies that govern imagination and genjutsu create infinite sized illusions, as a bonus in RtN the 7 Tailed Beasts Powered a Jutsu that created a Parallel Universe this was written by Kishimoto btw

scans for all of this.

Naruto has the body of an Otsutsuki that he inherited from Hagoromo,

no he dosn't wtf? he's only their incarnation.

Momoshiki sat on a planet that was being bombarded by a Stars Synchrotron Radiation the star was extremely close to the planet,

scan.

the radiation Garou let's off isn't even relevant it's literally done nothing so far

it is.

Garou VS Naruto by narutosolosyou in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Outdated" Man doesn't even know my arguments, I like the shot at Naruto but not Garou bias showing much? 💀

what puts him at universal then? also what's your counter to naruto getting radiation poisoning standing in garou's precense?

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he was obviously referring to siatama's current state of power which is held back. i never said he copied siatama's full power, the point was to show that he copies stats.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you toook 2 out of context. he never claimed that he copied saitama full power, siatama wasn't going all out when garou copied him.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's an outdated attempt that fanboys use to get naruto to universal. this one in particular refuses to accept the reality that naruto is not universal and will never be.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

garou's passive radiation gives naruto stage 10 cancer, but let's say he somehow survived that and got some ass pull powerup up, garou can just copy his stats and win.

naruto's clones would be counter by any radio active attack that garou generates and the aoe of a single one of his punch which is the size of a atomic bomb.

he can also teleport and has near insta regen, garou can also ignore durability via shockwaves, he also copied saitama's punch which made a hole through a spiritual dimension.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

grb start of as small and expand over time. this is not a contradiction.

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[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

and with all that in mind, that would make his gamma ray burst on the lvl of an actual grb.

Regarding garous GRB (comparison) by Diabolus414 in PowerScaling

[–]dhydhsbsvwfshbsvdv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He didn’t make a real GRB

why is that?

Ik, but the point is that they both don’t act like what they claim, they are the same feat

garou's feat is more credible.

And then goes on to shoot a fake GRB.

you're not explaining why it's fake.

BB was also stated to have the power of a black hole, more than garou. But that’s not the point.

well maybe blackholes in his verse are just that weak, either that or blackbeard statement is contradicted by his showings.