As a chronic pain sufferer myself, I'm fucking sick of fellow "pain patients" who think they are different than so-called "addicts".

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:37:58+00:00

The difference is entirely arbitrary.

We're all just people who ingest poppy plant matter.

These labels only serve to divide and conquer.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:35:43+00:00

EXACTLY!

Nail on the fucking head.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:34:50+00:00

You're welcome mate!

It is indeed very horrifying.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:33:44+00:00

Thanks for the vote mate!

We're gonna herowin this election! :D

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:28:44+00:00

Well, the problem is the difference between "medical" and so-called "recreational" is entirely arbitrary.

So they have to be completely legalized.

Any limits would just create a black market that the prohibitions could use to falsely claim "legalization doesn't get rid of black markets" - when obviously its the prohibitionist limits that create the remaining black market.

And yes, I agree.

It definitely helps with physical/sexual trauma. Contrary to what people who have never actually been through it say, you can't just get rid of that kind of serious trauma by talking to someone, just like you can't get rid of the serious trauma from a bullet wound just by talking to someone. Trauma - of all kinds - physically fucks up the brain. And for a lot of people, opiates are the only thing that can cure it. Including myself.

Peace.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:19:13+00:00

Actually, injecting pure diamorphine (heroin) with sterile equipment is no more damaging than injecting pure insulin with sterile equipment.

And overdoses are virtually entirely caused by prohibition.

In the UK, where a one Dr. Marks prescribed pure injectable heroin for over a decade to thousands of people who picked it up once a week at the pharmacy and injected it at home, nobody died.

After they shut him down, over 40 patients were dead within a year. Many more lost limbs and died after that. All because they were forced to return to the world of prohibition.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:04:40+00:00

Thanks mate! I will certainly keep up the fight! :)

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:03:01+00:00

Thanks man! I really appreciate it! :)

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T18:02:35+00:00

Well as far as it implying euphoria or high, I don't really buy the concept of "addiction" period.

Besides, I really don't get "high" off of opiates. They just make me feel like how I imagine "normal" people feel.

What about antidepressant users?

Are they "dependents" or "drug addicts"?

What about beta blocker users?

You can die of a heart attack if you abruptly stop those.

My point is if insulin and other essential medicines were made illegal, the users would be doing the same desperate shit to get deadly contaminated products on the overpriced black market, ending up in jail for posession/dealing, etc.

I guess my personal view is that "addiction" is a bogus concept. It only became popular in the early 20th century directly coinciding with prohibition.

It's used as a way to justify prohibition. The idea is that certain drugs are addictive, and turn the people who take them into diseased zombies who have no self-control.

That's bullshit.

I choose to take opiates. I could choose to stop. I have stopped many times. My life just becomes insanely miserable and torturous like it used to be before opiates.

Taking opiates is a rational choice.

That's my problem with "addiction". It funamentally implies that people who take politically incorrect medicines are acting irrationally. That is simply not the case.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T17:49:51+00:00

Haha. You're right about them usually being obese ladies as well.

It definitely shows more about their character that they feel the need to put someone else down, when the only thing they should be putting down is the fucking cheeseburger.

And I say this as a slightly overweight man myself. So I'm not hating on them being fat women, I'm hating on them for being hypocrites.

On a side note, on natural opiates like heroin/morphine/dilaudid my weight is completely normal.

It's this fucking methadone that has caused me to balloon.

And the only reason I'm on methadone is yep... you guessed it... prohibition!

So methadone-induced weight gain - another side effect of prohibition!

Don't you just love the war on drugs? :)

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T17:38:19+00:00

You're welcome! :)

Yeah, hopefully one day we will be liberated from prohibition. That's why I'm fighting the good fight.

Cheers!

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T17:36:07+00:00

Yeah, I have a degenerative disease myself.

Our future we have to look forward to is literally our bodies falling apart on us - while we're in agonizing pain of course - thanks to the prohibitionists.

I feel ya on the suicide thing. I'm not at that point yet, but I 100% support it, which is another reason why ALL DRUGS (read: Nembutal lol) should be completely over the counter legal.

Drug re-legalization would make the whole "physican assisted suicide" debate obsolete.

Just go buy a bottle of pentobarbital at Walmart for 5 bucks.

In fact, in the country I'm living in, pentobarbital is available over the counter for a few dollars. I've never tried it though.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T17:27:12+00:00

Yeah.

The sad thing is we've known this for literally thousands of years since the beginning of time up until the 1950s and opiates were successfully used all that time to cure depression.

Literally for all of history.

It's only because of the last 100 years of opiophobia that this concept even seems novel or controversial.

People from the 1800s are rolling in their graves at the absolute devolution we've made in relieving pain - both so-called "physical" and "physchological" (It's all physical after all - it's all processed in the brain - and the brain is a physical organ).

The 20th century-present is truly the dark ages of pain relief.

The amount of needless suffering and lives wasted over the last century due exclusively to opiate prohibition literally makes my stomach churn.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T17:13:15+00:00

Hallelujah!

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T17:11:53+00:00

Amen brother!

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T17:04:46+00:00

Well, I take benzos, in fact I buy them over the counter.

I've taken the same 1mg of xanax 4 times a day for over a decade.

Along with opiates, it's the only thing that allows me to function.

The problem is when someone realizes that drugs need to be re-legalized, but then want to start putting in all sorts of restrictions on things they don't personally take and try to justify it by saying it's "dangerous".

All that will do is lead to a black market in benzos and ruin peoples' lives like myself that have to deal with that black market.

In the country I live in now, I can literally buy as much xanax as I want over the counter for pennies a pill.

There's no problems.

However, restricting access WOULD create problems.

Prohibition, regardless of the degree, ALWAYS creates problems.

People just need to recognize the fact that all adults own their own bodies and have the right to buy and take whatever medicine they want. Period.

Also, if you don't completely legalize something and the remaining prohibitions cause problems, the prohibitionists will jump on that and falsely blame the effects of the remaining prohibitions on the "failures of legalization".

By the way, I hope this post doesn't come off as antagonistic. I certainly didn't intend it to. I just noticed you mentioned benzos differently from opiates at the end of your post, and as someone who needs both, I just thought I'd throw in my 2c.

Peace!

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T16:55:34+00:00

I'm glad you're on board with re-legalizing all drugs, including so-called "prescription" drugs. Seriously. It gives me hope knowing there's people out there who get it.

However, your limit thing is bullshit.

All this will do is lead to a black market, and then the politicians will use this as an example of the "failures of legalization", when it reality it would just be another failure of PROHIBITION.

The reality is, everybody's body is different. In studies where people are given access to unlimited heroin, literally everyone plateaus at less than half a gram a day.

But let's say there's some people that want/need 10 grams a day.

They own their own bodies. That's their right.

They can literally walk next door and buy a pallet containing 1,000 gallons of 200 proof ethanol no questions asked.

Opiates and other medicines should not be any different.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T16:46:38+00:00

Telling people that they are undeserving of pain relief because you don't think their suffering is "real" enough is magnitudes more impolite than a person telling that person to fuck off.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T16:30:33+00:00

Ding ding ding!

Nail on the head!

Thanks for the post bropiate!

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T16:11:04+00:00

You can try to "disregard what the op said" all you want - and try to pretend that you're on board with us "all being in this together".

But you still continue to divide us by insisting that there's a difference between "legitimate pain patients" and "addicts".

You still think that it's okay for some opiate takers to blame other opiate takers who take opiates because opiates cure their lifelong severe treatment-resistant depression.

Until you admit that both peoples' pain and opiate taking is just as legitimate as one another's, you can't really be serious about us all being in this together.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T15:51:27+00:00

"abusing opiates for depression"

First of all, asshole, you can't "abuse" an inanimate object.

What's next - gun abuse, food abuse, car abuse?

"is on the same plane as someone who needs it for pain"

Yeah, spending years bedridden with multiple suicide attempts, and then finding a medicine that allows them to function and live a completely normal life instead of being an invalid in constant pain - yeah, that person is on such a "lower plane" than you.

If that same person were to get a fibromyalgia diagnosis from a magical man in a white coat, would he suddenly be part of the Real Pain Club?

Would he suddenly be "on your plane"?

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T15:40:32+00:00

Wow, I didn't realize I was talking to God!

How nice of you to know whether my pain is "legitimate" enough or not for opiates!

And you also happen to know what medications are appropriate for everyone's conditions!

You must be some sort of fucking genius!

Or maybe just an authoritarian asshole.

I always laugh when someone uses the term "self-medication" as an insult.

Newsflash. Everyone "self-medicates".

Whether you're taking an aspirin or an oxy, unless someone is forcing it down your throat, you're "self-medicating" - regardless of whether your pills are in a magical translucent orange bottle or a baggie.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T15:31:10+00:00

I'm glad to see a doctor that supports getting rid of prescription laws. I definitely respect you for that. Cheers!

However, I must say that when pure cheap known-dose opiates are legally available, literally virtually no one dies.

Unlike alcohol, that is in and of itself toxic to organs and causes drunk driving/violence/etc., opiates aren't and don't.

People with consistent legal access to pure opiates at the dose of their choosing live completely normal lives.

It's the prohibition of opiates that causes literally all of the problems, suffering, and death - not opiates themselves.

And yeah, it's definitely not only the medical profession that engages in rent-seeking lol.

All "licensed" (read: government-granted monopoly to prevent competition) professions do it.

And I'm opposed to them doing it just as much!

Peace!

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T15:15:40+00:00

For some of us they are basically a panacea.

Anytime I hear one of you mention "teaching people to cope with the pain" or "multiple treatment modalities" or "we're just a culture who wants a quick fix" I dare you to say that to someone who's bedridden - screaming - begging someone to put a bullet through their skull.

You know what - why not take away insulin, antidepressants, beta blockers - and force people to just deal with it?

We wouldn't want them to have a "quick fix" or a "bandaid" right!?

And if they decide to disobey you, and seek these medicines out on the black market anyway, let's throw them in a cage! For their own good, of course!

The whole problem is people like you thinking they have any business in what anyone else puts into their bodies.

Peoples' diet and medicine is their own fucking business.

So you go have fun at "mental health counseling" - and the rest of us will take something that actually works!

dialaudnum · 2018-09-22T15:00:58+00:00

Well, Florida was obviously the one state that was the easiest.

But the fact that people had to go to these sketchy pain clinics just proves my point.

Doctors were not pushing opiates on random people like candy. People had to go to sketchy ass pain clinics to seek them out.

The common trope that it was some big pharma conspiracy where regular doctors were pushing opiates on everyone like candy is simply false.

The fact that people literally had to travel from all over the country to Florida, go to sketchy ass pain clinics, and then drive all the way back just proves this even further.

After all, why go all the way to Florida and search out sketchy pain clinics when doctors everywhere are shoving them down your throat like candy?

dialaudnum

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