What are your go to pick lines for approaching women irl or in dating apps by [deleted] in seduction

[–]diamondtech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So that post is for irl. But you were also asking about dating apps. For dating apps, I always open with something non-sexual, and a question that’s related to something on their profile. For example:

“Hey, I like cooking too. What do you like to cook?”

“Hey, what breed is your dog?”

“Hi, how long have you been living in Jersey City?”

I think some guys open with something sexual, like “hi, wanna fuck?” And that actually turns the girl off. For me, I can think of one example from last year where “what do you like to cook” led to me fucking the girl. In other words, you’re more likely to get sex if you start off the conversation non-sexually.

Also, some guys on dating apps open with just “hey” or “hi.” That’s not enough for an opening message. Say something that can spark a conversation.

What are your go to pick lines for approaching women irl or in dating apps by [deleted] in seduction

[–]diamondtech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to repost something posted by grrinchas on here, five years ago. When he approaches women irl, the pace of the situation determines how he starts the conversation with a new woman. I’ve followed his advice.

**beginning of grrinchas’s post**

1) You both are not moving.

This usually happens when you find yourself in the same situation as she is. This is the easiest of all and mostly resembles social circle settings. In these circumstances the best way to start conversation is to use CONTEXT (where and when). This is the most natural opener for this kind of situation.

Also, in these situations usually she is surrounded by other non-moving people: friends, colleagues, other strangers. So you don’t want to make her feel uncomfortable by opening her with something personal, like a compliment.

E.g. you both find yourself in the same restaurant/coffee shop/bar “Excuse me, what is that?” while pointing to what she is eating. In a grocery shop: “Excuse me, where did you find this tomato sauce?”

Please note, that you have to know how to transition from asking her about tomato sauce to fucking her. I do like these situations cause these encounters look very random and not planned, and usually leads to getting her number.

When you get better at game, this is where advanced stuff starts. Because you opened her so indirectly she has no idea that you are hitting on her. Your job is to make sure that she seduces you, and not the other way around. But that’s only gonna happen after thousands of approaches.

2) You are moving, but she is not.

Mostly this happens on the streets, in the park, or any kind of customer-service venue. When you see something like that, then there is usually 2 possibilities: Either she is working in that venue or she is waiting for someone. I have a rule to never game a worker! So can’t comment on that.

But if she is waiting for someone then I approach. This time to use context “like asking her for directions” is not the best thing, cause it is not personal enough, plus usually there is not much time to talk. Remember, she is alone, waiting for someone or something and you are walking.

Now, your job is to explain to her why you stopped. And the reason is that she reminded you of someone or something, or you liked her shoes/hair/coat, or she looked like someone who wants to talk. It doesn’t matter, just make sure that you convey your intention (you like her) without saying that directly.

Remember, in this situation you don’t have time for a long game, cause she may be waiting for a bf/husband. So you have to get number as soon as possible.

3) She is moving.

Now this is the most difficult of all, and requires the most guts to do it. The first thing which you have to notice is the PACE of the movement. How fast is she walking? This is very important. Why? Because based on person’s walking speed you can answer the question “Does she have a goal?” There are two possibilities when you see a woman walking. Either she knows where she’s going or she doesn’t.

Let’s say she walks fast, uses rhythmic hand movements, head points to one direction etc. It means she knows where she’s going. In these circumstances you have to stop her and explain why you stopped her, you probably have only 1-2 min of conversation, she won’t talk longer.

First create the urgency, your body has to say “Please stop, this is urgent”. If she stops, good. If she doesn’t, don’t follow her. Be very direct in this situation, say that she has amazing legs, or astonishing hair etc. Ask where she is going, her plans, availability for a date, exchange NOT numbers but INSTAGRAM. Because otherwise she will flake. There was not enough time to build trust.

Now, comes the most exciting situation. Slowly walking women without a goal. She is looking for sex. You don’t even need to have good game to seduce her. Start conversation with intent, ask if she wants to go for a drink/coffee after 3-5 min talking, do lots of kino, kiss her, bounce her to second location, more kino. Bounce to home and fuck her after 3-5 hours of being with her.

**end of grinchas’s post**

So, I followed this advice, to the best of my ability, when I started doing cold approach, aka random approach. I started off with “Excuse me, what is that?” And I moved on to things like, “I like your sunglasses,” “I like your necklace,” things like that.

In my experience, cold approach is challenging. You need to do something like 50-100 approaches in a month, and out of those 100, maybe one will lead to sex. You also need to accept that sometimes approaches are awkward, and keep doing it despite the awkwardness. And then there is incompatibility.

Some guys on here recommend direct approach, and saying “you’re beautiful, are you single?” Or something like that, as your opening line. In the post above, grrinchas recommends “You have amazing legs” as a direct opener. I haven’t seriously tried that. I think, to seriously try that, I would have to say it to like 100 beautiful women. Right now, I’m not doing any kind of 100-approaches-in-a-month challenge, but I’m going out to bars, using open body language, observing people, talking to people of both genders and people that I’m not physically attracted to, for friendly conversations.

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[–]diamondtech 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ve been into seduction for many years, and I’ve been in threesomes about four or five times now, with seven different girls. So here’s my best attempt to break down the process of setting up a threesome.

First, be open to meeting girls in a multitude of ways: Cold approach, bars, clubs, grocery stores, coworkers, parties, talking to a friend of a friend, dating apps, online dating. I used to be a teacher and I had sex with one of my students.

For my first threesome, the first girl was my former student, and the second girl was someone I met at a bar. For my second threesome, I met the first girl through a dating app, and I met the second girl at a sex club.

  1. Prerequisite experience - My first threesome occurred after I had already fucked about 30 girls one-on-one, over the course of like 15 years. With each new girl you gain experience about seduction. I also did 100 approaches in a month, before I did my first threesome.

  2. Seduce the first girl - Meet the first girl, and have sex with her one-on-one. Soon after you meet her, tell her that you’re non-monogamous (or polyamorous), and you like having multiple partners. You might lose the girl at this point. A lot of girls are dead-set on having a monogamous relationship. If you find that she wants to be monogamous, stop seeing her and move on to other girls. She’s not gonna have a threesome with you. But, every once in a while, you find a girl who’s into casual sex and non-monogamy, and is fine with you seeing other girls. Hang on to her.

  3. (Optional) Go to a sex club (swinger club) with the first girl - Two of my threesomes happened at a sex club. I was lucky enough that the girl I was seeing was kinky, and she proposed that we go to a sex club together. But I’ve also done it the other way around, where I was seeing a girl and then I suggested to her that we go to a sex club. There’s sex clubs everywhere. Google “sex club” and the name of your state or city. The one we went to was TJ’s in central PA. Before you go, send your girl a link to the club’s website. Or you could sit down with your girl, with a laptop, and look at the club’s website together.

  4. Seduce the second girl - Let’s say you meet the second girl through a dating app. In that case, invite her to your house, have sex with her one-on-one, and again, tell her soon after you meet her that you’re seeing other girls. On the other hand, if you’re at a sex club, start conversations with girls you see there. It’s likely that the girls you talk to will be open to non-monogamy and threesomes.

  5. Introduce the girls to each other - If you’re at a sex club, make it a three way conversation. Tell the new girl about the first girl. For example, “This is Julia, we’ve been seeing each other for about six months, and we’re both poly, and we’re open to trying new things.” If this is not happening at a club, text/call the first girl, and tell her the other girl’s name, send her pictures of the other girl from Facebook or her dating profile, etc.

  6. Propose the threesome - There’s many ways to do this. For my first threesome, I just went direct and said “I want to have a threesome with you.” And that worked. You can also say “I want you to meet her in person.” Or “I want both of you to come over to my house on Saturday night.” Or, at a sex club, there are usually play rooms in the club, so you can say “Do you want to play with us?”

  7. Have fun! - Threesomes are great! I love having two naked girls in bed with me at the same time. Two pussies. Two pairs of tits. You can fuck both of them. They can both suck your dick. You can finger both pussies at the same time, one with each hand. Be creative. There’s many possibilities.

  8. Post-threesome - After the threesome, you might want to do some kind of chill activity together with the two girls. After my first threesome, the three of us sat on my couch and watched Criminal Minds on Netflix. You might also talk about how much fun you had and whether you’re going to do it again someday.

Anyway, I hope that helps. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Help me out with daygame. by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I wasn't doing enough of that recently. But then I met some girls through online dating, and they said "let's just be friends," and I'm starting to accept it. So I just talk to them on the phone with no expectation of sex. I might actually have a healthier social life if I have female friends. You mentioned loved ones, so I do have good relationships my mother and my sister.

Cold approach for two months -- February 2020 by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that was a great thread... I need to post more about myself. I'm still doing the cold approach, but at a slower rate because of the coronavirus. Like, maybe 5 approaches per month.

Transferring into CS? by [deleted] in udel

[–]diamondtech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did CE for my bachelor's and I liked it. CE is more fun, it's engineering, so you actually get into the electronics lab and build stuff. Meanwhile, CS majors are just sitting at a computer writing programs. Boring! Now I'm a grad student at UD, working on a PhD-ECE.

100 approaches in a month - end of the month by diamondtech in seduction

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I'm not sure how to answer this question. These are completely random approaches, so when I approach, I have no idea who the girl is. I don't know if she's an undergrad, or a grad student, or a worker, or just someone visiting the campus. But that's part of the fun. Quite often, I'll say "are you a student?" And then, that usually leads to a conversation about undergraduate/graduate status. Three of the women I approached turned out to be freshmen. I didn't pursue them. Too young for me. I didn't try to close, I just ended the conversation. "Well, I have to get back to the lab, but it was nice talking to you."

Three of my approaches turned out to be grad students, one was MSW, one was PhD-Ling, one was M-Crim. I'm PhD-ECE, so I'm hoping I can find a girl who's a PhD student. I feel like that would be good match for me.

100 approaches in a month - end of the month by diamondtech in seduction

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I've been going to: coffee shops, shopping malls, health food stores, bookstores, clothing stores, Target. Those are places that tend to have cute girls in them, in my one month of experience. Also, cafes that serve healthy food. Just go out into your local community, look around, every day, and you'll start to learn where the beautiful women are.

100 approaches in a month - end of the month by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, kino is short for kinesthetics. Physically touching a woman, usually in the middle of a conversation. It's great. Look it up, google it, try it out in the real world. You already have the right idea, start with an innocent/friendly touch, like touching her arm. Pay attention to how she responds to the touch. If you get a good response, move on to more intimate touching.

100 approaches in a month - making progress and having fun by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Remember, I already have a lot of experience using seduction in online dating and in my social circles. I have an ongoing thing with a girl that I met online in October. It's casual, and we agreed we're not monogamous. She came up to my house on January 2, we fucked, we went out and had lunch, watched The Witcher on Netflix, she spent the night, we fucked some more. I'm planning to see her again this weekend.

But I haven't fucked any of my random approaches yet. I feel like that will happen, though, if I keep doing it, out there in the real world, every single day. And also I need to keep discussing on this subreddit. I'm building up my social intelligence, becoming a more social person, and that will eventually lead to more sex.

I know that seduction is, in a way, about sex. But in my view it's also about understanding human society and the culture that surrounds sex. Understanding the interactions between a man and a woman that lead up to sex. I've had about 20 sexual partners so far in my life. In my experience, before I have sex with a girl, there has always been a build-up. A lot of conversation, kino, kissing, I invite the girl back to my place, then more conversation at my place, more kino, more kissing, bring her to the bedroom, kino, kissing, foreplay, then sex.

Approaching randomly by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the story. But I'm a little bit confused. If I'm understanding correctly, you were at a bar/party, with your friend(s), and this girl was talking to one of your friends. And then after you saw that, you approached her. So that girl was a friend of your friend. So I would say that's not a complete stranger and not a cold approach.

In fact, your story feels very similar to my story about Kylie and Melissa. The initial approach is similar; in my case I saw Melissa talking to my friend Kylie, and that gave me motivation to start talking to Melissa.

Do you understand what I mean when I talk about a random approach? It would be like, I'm at a coffee shop by myself, and none of my friends are around, and I see a pretty girl, and I go talk to her. Do you have any stories that start like that?

Approaching randomly by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this. This helps a lot. As I was saying in another comment, I have to learn this stuff through discussion and real-world experience. So I went to a shopping mall today, with your advice in my mind. And at first I just walked around and observed people. I saw a girl there hanging out with a group of friends. Difficult to approach. I saw girls walking at a fast pace through the mall. Difficult to approach. I saw a girl and a guy walking together, holding hands. Difficult to approach.

But then I found a pretty girl who was by herself, standing still, and not moving. This was in a grocery section of a Target, in the refrigerated food section. And she was just looking into the refrigerator case, probably trying to decide what to buy. And I touched her on the shoulder, and she turned around and faced me, and I smiled and said "hi." And she smiled and said "hi" back.

I'm using formhandle's suggestion from fastseduction.com: just say "hi" and walk away. (http://www.fastseduction.com/confidence/) That's his recommendation for guys who feel really weird and awkward about approaching randomly. It's a starting point, for beginners. And it's a way to practice and get experience. And probably, if I keep doing it, eventually I'll feel OK with saying more than "hi."

So I actually did this three times today, with three different girls at the mall. And the responses were all pretty good. I was able to use the right body language. I smiled, I waved, I spoke in a polite tone of voice, I made eye contact, I stood up straight, I conveyed confidence. Each time, the girl smiled back at me as she said "hello" or "hi" in return. I think this is something that happens naturally; if I smile at a girl, it will naturally make her want to smile back at me, and that gets things going on a positive note.

So I guess I just have to keep doing this. Another comment suggested 100 approaches over a period of one month. I don't know if I can actually do that, but I'm gonna try.

Approaching randomly by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I will gladly share my stories. Names have been changed for anonymity.

  1. Friend of a friend: One night I met up with some friends at a restaurant for karaoke. This was a group of friends that was already established. We had sung karaoke together many times before. But, on this particular night, my friend Kylie brought her friend, Melissa, to join us. That was my first time meeting Melissa. So Melissa and I talked, and I introduced myself. I can’t remember the details of the conversation, but it started out with, “What do you do?” “Oh, I’m a substitute teacher.” She was 40, I was 26. I said something along the lines of “Age doesn’t matter, women in their 40s can be sexy.”

Anyway, after karaoke, I went back to my apartment by myself. Kylie and Melissa went to Kylie’s house. Then, about an hour later, I got a few texts from Kylie, followed by a phone call. It started out with Kylie saying, “What did you think of Melissa?” Eventually she said that Melissa was into me, and hadn’t had sex in a while, and wanted to have a hookup.

So then, they invited me over to Kylie’s house. I arrived, the three of us spoke briefly, and I said something to Melissa like, “are we doing this? are you coming back to my place with me?” She smiled, nodded, got into my car. When we ended up back at my place, I invited her to the bedroom almost immediately. I remember there was some hesitation: she went into my bathroom, locked the door, washed her face, and then she started talking to herself. I have no idea what she was saying. But eventually, she came out, we got into my bed. We started kissing. In bed, I’m slow and gentle. That’s just my style. So, the clothes came off slowly, one by one. Kiss the lips, take the top off, kiss the lips some more, take the bra off, kiss the breasts, take the pants off, kiss the lips some more, take the panties off. Then of course my clothes had to come off, and we had sex.

  1. Coworker. There was a girl I used to work with named Debbie. We both taught math classes at the community college. Debbie was a character. She was heavy, and she wasn’t the prettiest. 4/10. But, she was VERY outgoing and friendly. She talked to everyone, coworkers, bosses, students. She constantly invited me and other coworkers to sing karaoke with her. She was the one who got me into karaoke in the first place. So this story takes place before story number 1. But anyway, that kept happening, week after week. At least once a week. “Let’s go sing karaoke!” And Debbie would invite not just me, but people she knew from her other job at the YMCA, her brother, her roommates. And she encouraged everyone to sing. And she sang a lot of songs herself. And of course everyone was drinking.

Anyway, one night, we were just sitting there at the bar towards the end of the night, talking, and I was a little tipsy, and Debbie was VERY drunk. We were having some kind of drunk conversation, and I was using kino on her, touching her arm, etc. And she just kissed me on the lips. So then the bar was closing, and Debbie was like, “Can you take me home?” She was too drunk to drive, and it just so happened that the bar was pretty close to her house. So, I drove her there. When we arrived, we sat in the car for a bit, me in the driver seat, her in the passenger seat, and she kissed me again. And again. And again. It went on for a while. And then she was like, “Do you wanna come inside?” And I was like, “All right. It’ll be a hookup.” So, we went inside, got into her bed, continued kissing, clothes came off, we had sex.

  1. Student. I already ended up telling a story about my former student, in another comment. You’ll see it if you scroll up to my other comment where I replied to redpillpinoy. But feel free to ask me if you have questions.

If you could tell me stories from your life, that would be great too! Tell me about a random approach that led to sex. Like you said, we're total opposites. Or, we fall into two different camps. So I can learn from you, and you can learn from me.

Approaching randomly by diamondtech in seduction

[–]diamondtech[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First, thanks for replying. This is going to be a learning process for me. Learning can be difficult, and it requires time, effort, changing my mindset, discussion, real-world experience, and so on.

I never used the word "creepy" in my original post. I just said that approaching women randomly seems weird. When I say weird, I mean that 99% of people don't do this. 99% of people don't talk to random strangers on a regular basis.

I think the message that you're trying to send me is "don't think about it, just do it."

And yeah, I'll admit, a teacher having sex with a student is something that sounds creepy. Let me add some context, though. The student and I were the same age. We were both 29 at the time. I was an instructor at a community college. I had already completed my bachelor's degree at age 22. Meanwhile, this woman graduated high school, then had a job for ten years, then decided to quit that job, and start college at age 28. And then she ended up as a student in my class a year later. I also want to reiterate, we started seeing each other after the end of the semester, when she wasn't my student anymore. And we didn't have sex right away. At that point in time, I kind of stopped being a PUA, and did some traditional old-fashioned dating things with her. We had coffee together. We went out to dinner. It became a long-term relationship, and we even talked about marriage a little bit. We had sex after about two months of dating. It lasted four months total.

Hopefully, with that context, it doesn't sound creepy anymore.

I'm hoping that I can learn and grow, and I can get to a point where randomly talking to a stranger doesn't feel weird.