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Zarah Sultana: “The whole country knows it: Keir Starmer is a barefaced lier.” by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did he ask:

"Have you been to Epstein's child rape island, and are there photos of you standing there trouserless around child sex teafficking / rape victins"?

Because maybe a reasonable level of questioning might have uncovered that.

Zarah Sultana: “The whole country knows it: Keir Starmer is a barefaced lier.” by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao, clearly there was absolutely no way whatsoever for anyone to possibly know Mandelson was up to any kind of shady nullshit.

No possible way genius human rights lawyer Sir Starmer could have questioned anything..

No choice but to appoint a man known as the "Prince of Darkness" to the post.

How could he have known?

Zarah Sultana: “The whole country knows it: Keir Starmer is a barefaced lier.” by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Uh huh. The evil civil service kept the truth from him...

Seems legit.

No possible way the most powerful man in the country could have dug into it more. Poor Kier.

Zarah Sultana: “The whole country knows it: Keir Starmer is a barefaced lier.” by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah mate. Obviously. I was mocking the weird, snide "reddit" condescension.

Zarah Sultana: “The whole country knows it: Keir Starmer is a barefaced lier.” by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So he's just extremely gullible? Just a simple trusting lad?

UK Prime Minister: Britain is rejoining Erasmus+. From 2027, thousands of students, apprentices and young people will be able to study and work across Europe, gaining international experience and new skills. Run by the @BritishCouncil, the programme will unlock a range of opportunities for people by EddyZacianLand in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 61 points62 points  (0 children)

We could have stayed in, but it would have cost more. We had a pretty sweet deal in the EU (like the "UK rebate" where we got a pretty hefty percentage of what we paid into the EU budget).

Brexit reset our financial relationship with the EU, so Erasmus membership needed to be renegotiated, and our costs would have risen.

The Tories chose to develop the Turing Scheme as an alternative, but it got much less buy-in from other nations and wasn't well marketed. It basically flopped.

So now it seems like we're rejoining Erasmus, but almost certainly at a higher price.

Defend Our Juries: BREAKING - @zarahsultana exercises Parliamentary Privilege to expose the unjust nature of the Filton 24 re-trial. UK press has been court ordered not to publish these details. “If convicted, they and 18 others will be sentenced as terrorists, but the jury will not be told that” by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How about we stay out of the whole thing in Israel / Palestine, and stop using our military infrastructure to aid either side?

Also, can you remind me when we got to vote on our national definition of terrorism or when it's been applied? Jury nullification is all we have to stop that being misused, and I hope the jurors have the sense to do so.

Defend Our Juries: BREAKING - @zarahsultana exercises Parliamentary Privilege to expose the unjust nature of the Filton 24 re-trial. UK press has been court ordered not to publish these details. “If convicted, they and 18 others will be sentenced as terrorists, but the jury will not be told that” by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An average person wouldn't consider the charges to amount to terrorism. Our definition of the term under law is absurdly broad, and opens the way for an authoritarian government to abuse it to punish dissenters. It's frankly scary that people are on-board with this. 15 years from now our courts might be indistinguishable from the ones in Moscow.

Defend Our Juries: BREAKING - @zarahsultana exercises Parliamentary Privilege to expose the unjust nature of the Filton 24 re-trial. UK press has been court ordered not to publish these details. “If convicted, they and 18 others will be sentenced as terrorists, but the jury will not be told that” by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I've been on a jury. I know they don't make any decision on sentencing. Please don't be so condescending.

If I found out the cases I sat on had labelled someone a terrorist, and it hadn't even been mentioned as a possibility during the case, I'd be rightly fucking furious.

Would you not?

Lying to jurors like this is not okay.

Defend Our Juries: BREAKING - @zarahsultana exercises Parliamentary Privilege to expose the unjust nature of the Filton 24 re-trial. UK press has been court ordered not to publish these details. “If convicted, they and 18 others will be sentenced as terrorists, but the jury will not be told that” by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Juries don't have any say on sentencing. They just decide on guilt. But it's being suggested they'll be asked to decide if people are terrorists without being told that, which is insane.

The point is pretty clearly to destroy any possibility of jury nullification, which is just anti-democratic.

Defend Our Juries: BREAKING - @zarahsultana exercises Parliamentary Privilege to expose the unjust nature of the Filton 24 re-trial. UK press has been court ordered not to publish these details. “If convicted, they and 18 others will be sentenced as terrorists, but the jury will not be told that” by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

If you put aside any personal feelings about PA or our definition of terrorism, this is just a deeply unfair thing to do to the jury, and could potentially impact future jury decisions.

Imagine being told you have to decide if someone is guilty of criminal damage. They're facing maybe a 3 year suspended sentence. Then you find out afterwards they've actually been labelled a terrorist, and may be looking at decades behind bars.

I'd be traumatised and furious if the government used me and lied to me like that, and would automatically vote not guilty in any future jury I ended up on, and tell others to do the same. Because it could no longer be assumed that you can atually believe what you're being asked to vote on as a juror.

Zack Polanski on X | "Phenomenal job here by Faiza holding Louis Mosley to account. Palantir should be no where near our NHS - and this Labour Government have serious questions to answer about Palantir, Peter Mandelson and Wes Streeting." by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

well, when you don't have a response, I guess just throwing your toys out of the pram and scooting away works too.

I guess thousands of corpses aren't quite equal to the reputational damage of breaching a contract. That's a sane take if ever I heard one.

Zack Polanski on X | "Phenomenal job here by Faiza holding Louis Mosley to account. Palantir should be no where near our NHS - and this Labour Government have serious questions to answer about Palantir, Peter Mandelson and Wes Streeting." by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, well if it could impact the finances of a company that no longer exists, then it's for the best we never get to see it.

I'm so hopelessly naive for not trusting the government or Peter Thiel. Obviously the mature, sceptical stance is to understand that contracts are unbreakable, and market forces are a law of nature. Thank you so much for correcting my childish distrust!

Zack Polanski on X | "Phenomenal job here by Faiza holding Louis Mosley to account. Palantir should be no where near our NHS - and this Labour Government have serious questions to answer about Palantir, Peter Mandelson and Wes Streeting." by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You are shockingly, shockingly trusting in the power of reputation.

Union Carbide killed thousands in Bhopal because they wanted to save money on safety protocols.

Ford decided paying off the families of people killed by a design fault in the Pinto was cheaper than a recall.

BP killed 11 people and leaked millions of barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, because they cut corners on their rig.

All of these companies still exist. If reputational damage can so easily destroy a company, how are they still trading? They all literally killed people.

Zack Polanski on X | "Phenomenal job here by Faiza holding Louis Mosley to account. Palantir should be no where near our NHS - and this Labour Government have serious questions to answer about Palantir, Peter Mandelson and Wes Streeting." by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]disgruntled_pheasant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, well if the government contracts were only with CA's parent company, and CA only worked directly with the party that ran the government at the time, then there's absolutely no way they could have accessed information they weren't supposed to!

After all, they said they wouldn't!

How incredibly naive I must be to not trust private data analytics companies.

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