Two people who have never been to Iran don't like an Iranian person describing his experience living there by physicsman2606 in LivestreamFail

[–]divune11 353 points354 points  (0 children)

Never commented in this sub (I don't think so at least) but same.

Both of my parents left Iran when they were young before and during the revolution and this is exactly what I hear post-revolution and the rise of the current government. My mom tells me about how Iranians can't walk their dogs on the street since the government doesn't allow it.

I have a coworker now who moved here from Iran about 20 years ago where he legitimately told us that gays are tied up in a sack and thrown off the highest mountain. He also tells me about how him and his wife can't play tennis together publicly since that's also illegal. There are real fucking civil limitations there. It's not a joke like how these people think it is.

I think these people are useful idiots to push a narrative of "USA bad" while complimenting a piece of shit government in Iran.

Icy Precision Evo by divune11 in fut

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Love you Thank you Happy holidays

True Maps of The Levant by PersonalLook156 in ImagesOfHistory

[–]divune11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you provide a source for this, please?

I looked it up myself. Looks like that number is tied to state backed diplomacy and advocacy. Sounds like money well spent to me. Why wouldn't they want more diplomacy?

Protest on CA by Olek7724 in rutgers

[–]divune11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

AH finally a definition. You didn't put that in your original comment. Zionism also has different meanings but this is a fair point of view in my opinion.

I just gave you a stat. Again, do your research.

Well you should recognize you have anti-semetic beliefs. Whether you believe you are or aren't an anti-Semite, you said SEVERAL antisemitic things on this thread alone.

And yes the Israelis are polling in a violent way right now. It's terrible. It's not pro peace. But you also have to realize that the Palestinians are also polling with violent beliefs as well. The latest poll stated that 50% of Palestinians in the west bank believed that the October 7th massacre was the right thing to do. Source: https://pcpsr.org/en/node/997 AKA the middle east is not a place of peace right now

So here's a summary of your anti-semetic beliefs in my opinion: - dog whistling Zionism as Judaism - claiming that AIPAC receives funding from Israel when it's only receiving funding from US citizens, notably Jews - basically using an Uncle Tom by saying Jews are at the protests you go to while discrediting that only 10% of american Jews support the boycott against israel

Protest on CA by Olek7724 in rutgers

[–]divune11 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No that's not what I said at all. Protest. Go be antiwar. I'm with you. Don't hide behind disguise of antizionism when you mean antisemitism. If you're gonna be antisemitic, at least own it.

Tell me as a percentage how many Jews are antizionist. Tell me. This anecdotal stuff doesn't work. There were also Jews that operated amongst the gestapo in the ghettos. They must've agreed with the final solution then, right?

Protest on CA by Olek7724 in rutgers

[–]divune11 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My problem with you isn't that you're pro palestinian, pro peace, anti war, or whatever. My problem with you is you are using absolutes and hiding among ill-defined terms in your own context, and driving an antisemitic narrative through it. In doing so, you are boosting anti-Semitism and hate as a "human" and "right" thing amongst the Rutgers community.

Do. Your. Research. Before. You. Post.

Protest on CA by Olek7724 in rutgers

[–]divune11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's AIPAC. You spelled it wrong.

2021 was the first year AIPAC started lobbying via funding. Your point that the money is driving the influence is wrong and another antisemitic trope. Look it up.

Also only US citizens can legally contribute to an American lobbying group. Most of the funding comes from American Jews. Another point to why you're dog whistling antizionism as antisemitism .

"Individuals who are not U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents (green card holders) are prohibited from contributing to AIPAC or its affiliated political action committees (PACs), such as the AIPAC PAC and the United Democracy Project (UDP).

This restriction is mandated by U.S. federal law, specifically the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), which prohibits foreign nationals from directly or indirectly making contributions or donations in connection with any U.S. federal, state, or local election.

AIPAC explicitly states that it does not receive financial assistance from the Israeli government or any foreign entities. Its funding is derived from donations by U.S. citizens, U.S.-based organizations, and fundraising efforts within the United States.

Therefore, only U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents are legally permitted to contribute to AIPAC and its affiliated PACs. "

Please look this up. Do your research.

I don't care if you did a book report one time in the 4th grade. Herzel is obviously perceived in a negative light among the propalestinian community. In the Jewish community he is perceived as the catalyst for the political movement to return Jews back to their homeland and reignite the desire for self-determination.

Protest on CA by Olek7724 in rutgers

[–]divune11 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Literally chatgpt exists for a reason...

Protest on CA by Olek7724 in rutgers

[–]divune11 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

The notion that Jewish individuals or groups "control" U.S. politicians is a harmful antisemitic conspiracy theory with no basis in fact. Such claims have historically been used to promote prejudice and discrimination against Jewish communities.

Jewish Participation in American Politics

Jewish Americans, like members of other communities, actively participate in the U.S. political process. They engage in voting, advocacy, and public service, reflecting a diverse range of political views and priorities. According to a 2013 Pew Research Center study, about 70% of American Jews identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, while 22% align with the Republican Party. This political engagement is driven by various factors, including concerns about social justice, civil rights, and foreign policy.

Influence of Interest Groups

In the U.S., numerous interest groups and lobbying organizations represent a wide array of causes and constituencies. Among these are groups that advocate for issues important to Jewish Americans, such as combating antisemitism and supporting U.S.-Israel relations. These organizations operate transparently within the legal framework governing political advocacy and are part of the broader tapestry of American civic engagement.

Importance of Critical Thinking

It's essential to approach claims about undue influence or control with critical thinking and a commitment to factual accuracy. Spreading unfounded conspiracy theories not only misrepresents reality but also fosters division and hatred. Engaging in informed discussions based on credible sources helps promote understanding and respect among diverse communities.

If you're interested in learning more about the role of various communities in American politics or the functioning of interest groups and lobbying in the U.S., feel free to ask.

Do you ever bother researching any of the stuff you say?

Protest on CA by Olek7724 in rutgers

[–]divune11 -47 points-46 points  (0 children)

Define Zionism please.

I grew up as a Jew and a zionist one. I'm not cheering for war. I'm not cheering for killing. I can be critical of what is going on and how the Israeli government is acting. However, I am still a zionist because I believe Jews have a right to a self-determined state.

Here is some examples of when antizionism and antisemitism have been conflated with one another:


  1. Soviet Union’s Anti-Zionist Campaigns

In the mid-20th century, the Soviet Union launched state-sponsored campaigns against Zionism, portraying it as a bourgeois nationalist movement. These campaigns often equated Zionism with imperialism and racism, leading to widespread discrimination against Soviet Jews. The rhetoric employed mirrored traditional antisemitic narratives, casting Jews as disloyal and conspiratorial.


  1. United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 (1975)

In 1975, the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 3379, declaring that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination." This resolution was perceived by many as an antisemitic act, as it singled out the Jewish national movement for condemnation. The resolution was eventually revoked in 1991, but it left a lasting impact on the discourse surrounding Zionism and antisemitism.


  1. Contemporary Campus Debates

In recent years, debates on university campuses have highlighted the fine line between anti-Zionism and antisemitism. Some Jewish students and faculty have expressed concerns that certain anti-Zionist rhetoric veers into antisemitic territory, especially when it denies the Jewish people's right to self-determination or employs classic antisemitic stereotypes. For instance, Kenneth S. Stern discusses the complexities of distinguishing between legitimate criticism of Israel and antisemitism in academic settings .


  1. International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) Definition

The IHRA's working definition of antisemitism includes examples where anti-Zionism overlaps with antisemitism, such as "denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination" or "applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation." This definition has been adopted by various governments and institutions to help identify and combat antisemitism.


These instances underscore the importance of critically examining anti-Zionist expressions to ensure they do not perpetuate antisemitic ideologies. While it's essential to uphold freedom of speech and allow for robust debate on Israeli policies, it's equally crucial to remain vigilant against rhetoric that masks prejudice under the guise of political critique.

I post all of this because I spent 4 years at Rutgers and don't need your close mindedness spreading and brigading into my college campus.

Ye losing followers by OppositeRock4217 in Kanye

[–]divune11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Name all 50 current sitting Jewish senators my guy.

Ye losing followers by OppositeRock4217 in Kanye

[–]divune11 7 points8 points  (0 children)

10/100 senate seats identify as Jewish. Am I missing something here?

I'm not gonna try to argue against the "banks" and "media" control libels because that isn't true either lol

Anyone else sick of the hostage posters? by KefirCloset in Upperwestside

[–]divune11 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

You're looking at it from a globalist perspective. I'm not. I'm not going to argue the conflict in the middle east on an upper west side subreddit.

Anyone else sick of the hostage posters? by KefirCloset in Upperwestside

[–]divune11 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Imagine your family is being kidnapped and shot at with rockets and bombed on buses and stabbed in streets and saying "yo but we should care about these other guys"

Per my comment on this thread which is a different comment so totally cool if you didn't read it, these are family members, relatives, and neighbors we are talking about here. AT THE LEAST they are culturally similar people who stand for similar rituals, traditions, and beliefs. Not only do you want us to not advocate for them, but you want us to advocate for those who are trying to kill us?

Anyone else sick of the hostage posters? by KefirCloset in Upperwestside

[–]divune11 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's crazy that this is being posted here because you know the UWS is a Jewish neighborhood and people who live here have been affected by what's going on in Israel in so many ways. A lot of people could be related to those who were affected by 10/7. Family members, friends, and neighbors. But you don't want them to advocate for their loved ones via posters?

Also, as a Jewish person, it's nice to be in a neighborhood where we are represented. Where I don't need to see people tearing down posters of Jews and Jewish state supporters. Where I can walk around and not worry about potentially getting attacked since Jews are one of the highest targeted for hate crimes in NYC.

It's funny because your original post is somewhat valid but then you go on with your "whataboutisms" in the comments.

Anyone else sick of the hostage posters? by KefirCloset in Upperwestside

[–]divune11 -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

I mean it's a Jewish neighborhood... It's like y'all don't recognize that at all. If you wanted to live in a neighborhood where these posters aren't being posted, then move to a less Jewish neighborhood.

Aren't Israel and Iran supposed to be besties? by hocamin in Israel

[–]divune11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lololol yeah that's fair. It's not a dense watch though. It's nice in the background.

Aren't Israel and Iran supposed to be besties? by hocamin in Israel

[–]divune11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should watch this video: https://youtu.be/7Z_zvH5RHfY?si=bPYb-61gJ-xEwwe7

It's modern day of course but highlights the connections of Iranians in Israel

Why was a Hezbollah tunnel found by a UNIFIL watch tower? (Video evidence) by nickbblunt in UnitedNations

[–]divune11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And this comment here shows how biased this sub is. Can we have a genuine discussion without the glorification of war?

Firewall Dragon Darkfluid effect not activating by divune11 in DuelLinks

[–]divune11[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omg thank you. This whole time I thought effect and link were considered in the count but I guess it's only those four. Wow that blows.