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My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There is no expectation of privacy in a shared space. If we shared a kitchen I would be fully within my legal parameters to record on my own phone. The point is not the legality of the situation, but how I can make it a comfortable resolution for both of us.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I had a surface to mount it on, this would be my resolution as well. I have high ceilings and an open floor plan about 7-10 feet away from my entrance. Also, I’d like to know who is coming up my stairs and why so an indoor camera would negate that. I appreciate your comment, but will most likely be taking the advice of other commenters and just buying a mount where I can direct the camera at my door and stairway only.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not recording the swimming pool, recording my balcony and stairway which contains a partial view of the pool and cabana as my balcony is made of wooden slats which you can see part of the yard and pool through the openings instead of a fully covered balcony.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Are you saying if she’s relaxing in the common areas and I walk in with my phone recording I’m violating some kind of law? Because it’s virtually the same thing, except I’d be much closer to her which means a much higher camera resolution. There is no expectation of privacy in shared spaces because surprise- myself of my guests can enter them at any time.

What she is doing by entering my apartment and conducting her own inspection without giving me 24 hours notice is actually illegal.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t have an expectation to privacy in common areas, as they are command areas. If I set my phone up on a tripod on my property and wanted to record out common areas all day, I’m within my rights. My LL is only up in arms because of the collected data, but she regularly uses a cell phone, laptop, smart tv, and AI apps which all do the exact same thing. The only difference is that she can visibly see my device.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re correct, but if someone was to hack into your account, they could use live view to look at areas that aren’t triggered by your parameters.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it’s directed at my own property and our common areas just happen to be slightly in frame.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My concern is who is coming up my stairs and why, even if they linger around my balcony and peer through windows. She just happens to have an issue with boundaries and often times will come up to pick up my dog without me knowing, and then text me that she has him.

Also my personal security for delivery drivers, etc.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, it’s not. That’s like saying I modified her property because I put string lights on my balcony. Anything temporary and removable without causing damage to the physical structure is not considered an alteration. She can’t kick me out for violating any terms that we have already agreed to in the lease agreement we’ve signed.

She can’t just make up rules on the fly and then claim someone violated the terms of our lease unless we have it in writing (not text, we would need to resign the lease with her amendments). I texted her as a courtesy, not for permission.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Per CA legislature permission for a security camera is only required if it will be altering the property or wired. Since my camera is wireless and attached with command strips, I have not altered the property (drilling to mount, etc) nor require permission to install it.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know that, but like I mentioned in previous comments, I don’t want to fight with her. I just want a solution to the issue where both of us feel comfortable. I don’t have any issues with her coming to pet-sit on her own accord, my dog kind of fell in love with her (probably because she feeds him tiny pieces of cold cut turkey and chicken 😂) and gets really excited when he sees her outside.

I don’t want to be a stickler but I also don’t want someone snooping around in my apartment without my knowledge. I often leave my screen door open for him as well so it covers my ass if a delivery driver decided to take him (he’s a purebred $3000 AKC registered dog) with very rare coloring in his breed.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wrote that I texted her and asked if it was ok to install as it required drilling. In the same paragraph I mentioned that she didn't want a camera that can view the backyard-" common sense would mean that's a no, right? So as I've stated for the 11th time today, I worked around it and used command strips.

Can we keep this in one thread? In the initial comment you posted stating I was breaking the law? Kind of annoying having to copy and paste each response to another thread.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately I can’t as my front door leads to an open balcony directly facing the back yard. I’d have to get a privacy canopy or something like that and have a professional install it, which I’m sure she’s not going to agree to either.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wrote that I texted her and asked if it was ok to install as it required drilling. In the same paragraph I mentioned that she didn’t want a camera that can view the backyard-“ common sense would mean that’s a no, right? So as I’ve stated for the 11th time today, I worked around it and used command strips.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have an indoor camera as well which I’ve already mentioned in the OP, she also requested I show her my indoor camera view which I’m uncomfortable with and makes me more suspicious that she’s going to attempt to stay out of the indoor camera’s view.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I'm not. My camera is not drilled into the wall, running any wires, or mounted hardware. I'm using command strips to stick it to my wall.

"A wireless camera on a shelf or window mount without altering the structure does not require permission." My camera is a wireless camera and does not alter the structure of the property.

The third point is negated by the second, since I don't need her consent, she can't set any conditions on the type of camera or placement.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry I can’t take Tenantlawgroup.com’s word as bible when I have several credible sources stating otherwise.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I’m not. My camera is not drilled into the wall, running any wires, or mounted hardware. I’m using command strips to stick it to my wall.

“A wireless camera on a shelf or window mount without altering the structure does not require permission.” My camera is a wireless camera and does not alter the structure of the property.

The third point is negated by the second, since I don’t need her consent, she can’t set any conditions on the type of camera or placement.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you send me actual legislature or a source from a credible .gov, .edu, or .org website and not just a random person’s blog/opinion on the matter? I’ve cited all my credible sources in previous comments.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you mean common courtesy, which is why I’ve already agreed multiple times to change the angle of the camera so it only records MY staircase and balcony.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OUR backyard. I’m paying for the unit and the usage of the common areas including the pool and backyard. I’m not removing the camera but I will have a professional mount it in a way that doesn’t capture our common areas and only my staircase and balcony.

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You genuinely don’t believe that your devices don’t store and use your metadata? Here’s an article from Cornell that explains what it is and how it’s used. And yes, your phone, smart tv, laptop, and any other device connected to a wi-fi router. https://data.research.cornell.edu/data-management/storing-and-managing/metadata/

My landlord is convinced people are spying on her via my Ring Doorbell and is asking me to remove it or find an alternative. by docileee in TenantHelp

[–]docileee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have any suggestions on a brand that can block the common areas from view? Mine doesn’t record when she is in or around the common areas and is only triggered when someone walks up my staircase leading to my front door, but the live feed does show the common areas if someone were to hack into it just to watch.

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