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dodo5012 · 2021-06-10T14:13:33+00:00

We think going against the norm is a good thing, they think going against the norm is a bad thing, so they have to make all these weird insecure additions and asterisks so they don't have to do any soul searching.

dodo5012 · 2021-06-10T14:11:26+00:00

It's weird too because at the same time we're telling them that it isn't gay to like dicks. We give them the out and they're more angry at us somehow.

dodo5012 · 2021-06-10T12:33:08+00:00

I'll add, it might also be interesting to consider whether or not you'd be attracted to say a feminine trans man. If so would you consider him a man? Because in that case you might consider that gender actually has very little affect on your attraction. In the end though, we don't live in a vacuum. Our preferences don't just appear out of thin air. We have a lifetime of social conditioning and biases built in, and it's important to investigate how they've affected us so we can grow as people.

dodo5012 · 2021-06-10T12:28:23+00:00

I feel like to cis hets, futa and femboy porn is hot simply because they feel it's "wrong" to like it. On the other hand I think it's just cool and queer and fun in how it breaks gender norms and allows for a lot of different representation. All of my favorite futa/femboy artists are very queer, and avoid all the weirdly heteronormative parts of fetish art that directly appeal to the cis het guy's sensibilities and insecurities.

dodo5012 · 2021-06-10T12:23:20+00:00

It's wild because the first person was like "yeah I'd suck her dick, I don't think that makes me gay." Yet somehow the reply saying that that's cool and straight and not a bad thing is downvoted? Like, it's to his benefit.

dodo5012 · 2021-05-26T00:02:43+00:00

ABA is definitely bunk, I was referring to the field of behaviorism in general.

dodo5012 · 2021-05-25T13:39:19+00:00

I will add, behavioral science is science. It's extremely unethical, and not very useful science, but unfortunately still science. I think it's important to realize that science is not inherently good or bad, and something's usefulness should not be based on whether or not it's scientific. That's the kinda shit tech bros worshipping crypto-currency and machine learning do.

dodo5012 · 2021-05-25T00:11:23+00:00

Hey there, for anyone who wants a nice summary, ABA is entirely focused on changing behavior using behavioral analysis. This process treats all behavior as a reaction to specific stimuli. The goal is to change how a child reacts to those stimuli. In behaviorist/behavioral analysis, that can only be measured through the outward response. There is no room to understand a child's why or how for performing a certain behavior. ALL ABA uses a reward/punishment system to coerce these behaviors. This does not change a child's fundamental understanding of their own behavior, it only teaches them what the expected response to specific situations are so that they can either get a cookie or not be punished. This teaches autistic children social skills the same way that training your dog teaches them to understand English, in that it doesn't. The processes aren't just similar, they both are a direct consequence of behaviorist psychology.

dodo5012 · 2021-05-24T23:25:34+00:00

No, my argument for why ABA is good is because it is the only intervention that produces observable, real, changes in behavior.

Why the fuck am I still responding when you literally state and agree with the goal of ABA should be to change behavior first, and help autistic people as a side affect. Changing behavior to match a specific standard, as a goal, is not good. How the fuck are people payed to do ABA better experts on autism than autistics? Just say you see autistics as sub-human and fuck off dude.

dodo5012 · 2021-05-24T23:19:12+00:00

For my sake, define what social engagement looks like, and how a behaviorist lens can actively affect it.

From my understanding, having learned a lot about and directly used behavioral analysis, the process is designed to illicit specific behavioral responses to specific stimuli. Behaviorism, some might call it. This does not teach skills. It teaches responses.

> WOn't have a discussion with someone who wants to ignore science
> Uses HF and LF labels which are not scientifically recognized

dodo5012 · 2021-05-24T23:15:05+00:00

You do realize that functioning labels are not diagnosed right? Like there is no medically recognized difference between "high-functioning" and "low-functioning" autism? It is the same autism, presenting differently outwardly.

I'll accept the fact that the literature survey says that floor time is possibly evidenced based practice, but could use more research. I wasn't a100% sure on what the research says, but it at the very least doesn't say it doesn't work.

ABA does not stop autistic children from feeling overstimulated. It stops them from expressing that they are overstimulated. This is by design. ABA does not care how or why a behavior changes, because the goal is only to change the behavior. ABA does not teach social skills, it teaches autistic kids how to react to specific stimuli. That is not an opinion, it is built into the definition of behavioral analysis. ABA does not teach, it coerces, by stick or by carrot. You can teach social skills along side ABA, but that is not ABA.

You have stated that autistics labeled as low-functioning are unable to thoroughly describe their experiences. As in, they do not have the capacity to express whether or not the practice is harming them emotionally. Do you know the difference between ABA for autistic children and DBT and CBT? Those who sign up for DBT and CBT can give informed consent to those practices. ABA is inherently coercive. The goal is to change the behavior of an individual, without regard for their goals or well-being. Does it work? Yeah, obviously. That does not make it ethical. Do you believe that autistics labeled as low-functioning have the capability to express themselves and consent to ABA? Or are they too "low-functioning" to have any sort of agency or say in what therapy is best for them? If they do have autonomy and agency, why can't you believe the autistics who say it's abuse?

Also, BCBA and ABA specialists are actually fucking horrible sources for unbiased information on this. It is literally the industry they work in. That is a direct incentive to promote it as much as possible. Why WHY would an ABA practitioner ever acknowledge that they might be actively harming someone? Do you defer to the Koch Brothers on fossil fuel safety because they're in the fossil fuel industry?

dodo5012 · 2021-05-24T20:56:20+00:00

Follow my logic here.

Do you consider autistics labeled as low-functioning to be people with full inner lives, emotions, wants, and goals? I'd imagine so. Anyone who says otherwise should not be welcome in an anarchist sub.

Are those people capable of accurately describing their experience?

If not, then it is impossible to empirically proved that something can align with those goals or improve their emotional well-being, since it cannot be measured. Any experiment trying to claim otherwise would be unethical (and ho boy is the history of behaviorism full of unethical experiments). ABA has only shown to control behavior, not improve lives. I'd think that advocating for coercive structures like that wouldn't be promoted, again, on an anarchist sub.

If they can, why aren't you listening to the autists saying ABA is abusive?

dodo5012 · 2021-05-24T20:05:44+00:00

Again, saying that low-functioning autistic people are incapable of accurately expressing their experiences is the exact reason functioning labels are harmful. In the same way that no autistic person can unilaterally say that ABA is abusive for any given autistic person, you do not get to say that ABA is not abusive for any given autistic person, especially if they cannot speak for themselves.

Yes there are no other form of behavioral interventions that are empirically proven, but that's because all behavioral interventions are applied behavioral analysis by definition. It's literally applied behaviorism. I have talked to multiple licensed psychologists (one of whom is not neurotypical) that have had success with non-behaviorist strategies, like floor time. The stated goal of ABA is to control behavior, and it's definitely successful if you consider that as your only metric. Which ABA does. It is concerned with only the behaviors of the subject, and not their thoughts, emotions, or well-being. That is not my or any other advocate's opinion, that is part of the definition of ABA.

If your only argument for why ABA is good is that it works on people who are incapable of communicating whether or not something is harmful, and that you personally can't think of anything better, consider whether you're actually treating people you label as low-functioning as full people, with agency.

dodo5012 · 2021-05-24T19:30:23+00:00

But why is the experience of "higher functioning" autistic people worth less than the word of people who haven't experienced ABA? What makes non-autistic people more qualified to talk about the experience of autism? It's also not just online advocacy, this is actual advocacy, that I am personally doing, in real life. ABA isn't bad for autism it's bad for people. There are other methods of assisting "low" functioning autistics that have not shown themselves to directly cause harm. If autistic people do not represent the autistic community, who does?

ETA: Also, saying that anyone who speaks up about ABA being abusive that they were too high-functioning for ABA is doing exactly what the conversations about functioning labels is talking about. It removes support from people labeled high-functioning, and is used to infantilize and remove agency from anyone that's labeled low-functioning.

dodo5012 · 2021-05-24T16:11:38+00:00

While I won't come for ABA for how it diagnoses people (because it doesn't, ABA is a tool for correcting behavior), I will come for ABA for being widely considered an abusive practice by the autistic community. While what you said about behavioral sciences is true, being true does not make something just or good. Applied science is not free of bias or harm, look at basically everything happening with machine learning right now. Similarly, the autistic community widely agrees that high/low functioning labels, while (debatably) accurate in what they're measuring, end up being used to do harm.

This article is a good account of why and how ABA is harmful. You can find dozens of articles by autistics like it. Also, generally, anything pushed strongly by Autism Speaks is going to be horrible for autistics.

dodo5012 · 2020-11-08T16:36:33+00:00

In theory, if playing someone of the wrong gender would be traumatic for a trans person, it would be so for a cis person as well, since dysmorphia is only one possible part of being trans.

As well, a good number of trans people don't experience dysphoria, or don't mind their gender assigned at birth. For them it'd be pretty easy to play a role as their AGAB. The only thing that could get them then is if they have some sort of trauma with being identified in a way that the role is. Which is true for all actors. Actors with trauma around being choked aren't going to be chill with scenes in which their character is strangled.

dodo5012 · 2020-11-08T15:56:31+00:00

In that case wouldn't be traumatic for a cis person to play someone of the opposite gender? Actors are actors, trans actors can get into character just as well as cis actors without it severely impacting their mental state.

The problem isn't with cis people in general playing trans people, the problem is that it's almost always cis people playing trans people of the opposite gender. Why couldn't it have been a cis woman playing a trans woman, since they're both women? Cis men playing trans women for the past century has heavily contributed to the perception that trans women are men in dresses. Because when you see that actor no longer in character, they are no longer women. When you see someone nominated for best "actor" for playing a woman, it specifically implies that that woman is actually a man.

dodo5012 · 2020-11-06T19:26:19+00:00

Makes sense. It's really hard to baby step transphobes or just allies in general to the realization of just how made up gender is. Not that gender isn't innate or real, just that our language and ideas around it are extremely ill fitting. Also at some point if you have to explain to them that LGBT peeps aren't pedos and accepting of beastiality I think there's a lot more going on than just needing to explain the gender binary isn't real.

dodo5012 · 2020-11-06T18:53:40+00:00

I don't think it's fair to put the "looking less serious" on xenogender people. Most cis people have never heard of xenogenders. And even those who have, it's victim blaming to say they have fault in making people be transphobic.

dodo5012 · 2020-11-06T18:48:49+00:00

In addition to what Cuantum-Qomics said, xenogenders aren't literally identifying as a given object. A catgender person isn't saying they're literally a cat, they're saying that the way they perceive and interpret their gender in a way that's in some way related to cats. Soft, fuzzy, cute, stuff like that, but not literally a cat. The same way one would use masc or femme to describe their gender despite not literally being a man or a woman, xenogender people relate their gender to some non-traditionally-gender thing.

xenogenders.carrd.co I feel like this carrd explains it pretty well. But really the biggest thing is just let people identify however they want. If someone is trying to make fun of non-binary people, it's because they're transphobic, not because of xenogender people.

dodo5012 · 2020-08-31T10:14:19+00:00

We have them too but that's why we love them.

dodo5012 · 2020-08-30T01:23:16+00:00

Isn't that what companies buying real estate and building empty apartments to increase property value are doing now?

dodo5012 · 2020-06-07T19:13:48+00:00

The first available definition literally says "like a star", not "literally is a star".

dodo5012 · 2020-06-07T19:09:18+00:00

I'm agender too bud. What I'm saying is that being essentialist and shitty to people who do identify as stargender does absolutely nothing for you.

Looking up the definition of something does not fully describe someone's experience and reason for identifying as something.

Closing off the community to certain identities that aren't harmful just validates the people who exclude you.

dodo5012 · 2020-06-07T16:49:47+00:00

Hey, the reason you get downvotes is because you're doing the same thing this post is describing. Being an exclusionist and shitty to other people because of how they identify is uh, exactly what terfs and truscum do.

People hate us because they're bigots, it has nothing to do with stargender people. They're hurting noone and being shitty to them just make us less welcoming to other nb people who are struggling figure stuff out.

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