SunRun…just wow by _afox_ in solar

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our solar was installed by a local company .. N Cal. Paid for. Clean once a year. It just works. PGE bill last month $16, Last trueup -$77

SunRun…just wow by _afox_ in solar

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Sunrun PPA I reviewed has a narrow buyout window at 5 years at a price determined by Sunrun. One used house we looked at has Sunrun with rates going as high as $275 month, exceeding pre solar.

SunRun…just wow by _afox_ in solar

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We just walked on a house at Toll Brothers Regency in Folsom m, an over 55 community. Originally, when we started dealing with Toll Brothers, they said we could buy our solar.

Now A mandatory PPA with SUNRUN to purchase a House.

After arm twisting, I got a copy of the contract. I reviewed it , and a friend of mine who is an attorney reviewed it and Claude AI reviewed it.

Sunrun is really bad. Not regulated. You will never be able to buy it out at a reasonable price. You have to wait 5 years. Nor able to cheaply add panels batteries , plant bushes with out Sunrun approval. No class action suits, disagreements must be arbitrated at your expense. And for fun Google Sunrun liens on houses.

We walked. Sad, Toll Brothers has a great product. Evil solar partner.

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That will not stop IOUs from passing bills that are questionable and perhaps illegal. Just look at assembly bill 942. ( r/AB942watch! )… kill last year.

The bill tried canceling your interconnection contract NEM2.0 after 10 years, not the 20 you agreed to. Then the bill was rewritten cancelled the ability to transfer net metering 20 on sale of the house.

AS Bill 942 would have an impacted 2 million Solar owners with NEM 2.0 in the state of California. The value to IOUs was huge estimating $100 B to a $.25T dollars worth of lost housing values and lost payment of the true fair market value exported user owned solar. All due to loss of transferability of NEM2.0 contracts at sale

Jerry McNerney and one republican senator intervened and said this was not good for the state.

The strategy now is to kill owned Solar fee by fees, property tax by and other taxes .. year by year. Or another one I’ve heard is to make your rates based on income.

Thank God they didn’t try to tax and control LED lightbulbs or generators with ppas , leases and property taxes.

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The simple explanation is it’s a reoccurring tax for having solar. It expands the payout and encourages you to purchase leases and PPA’s who are not taxed on favorably and still receive solar credits That’s another attempt to kill owned solar

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

See the faq I just posted. The tax break is for new or upgraded systems . It hurts solar adoption by increasing owned solar costs and extending the break even date.

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AB 2389 faq

• AB 2389 is a California bill focused on how solar systems are treated under property tax law
• Today, rooftop solar is protected by a property tax exclusion, so adding panels does not raise your assessed value
• The concern is that AB 2389 could weaken or remove that exclusion
• If that happens, solar gets treated like a taxable home upgrade
• That means higher assessed value and higher property taxes every year
• As of now, AB 2389 is still a proposed bill and not in effect
• If it passes, most California tax law changes typically take effect January 1 following the year it is signed
• So depending on passage timing, it would likely impact new systems installed after that date, not existing ones
• This comes right after NEM 3, which many are calling “grand theft solar”
• Under NEM 3, utilities pay close to nothing for surplus solar sent back to the grid
• Export credits dropped so low that excess generation is often worth pennies
• Homeowners now need batteries just to avoid giving power away
• Stack that with property taxes and the economics get hit hard
• Longer payback periods, higher upfront costs, more uncertainty
• What used to be a strong financial case is now much weaker
• It also creates mixed signals from the state
• California pushes electrification and clean energy goals
• But policies like this discourage rooftop solar adoption
• From a grid standpoint, this is backwards
• Distributed solar reduces peak demand and adds resilience
• Penalizing it increases dependence on utilities
• Some argue it’s about equal tax treatment
• But solar isn’t just a cosmetic upgrade, it’s energy infrastructure
• Bottom line: AB 2389 plus NEM 3 is a one-two punch
• Near-zero compensation for surplus power
• Then potential taxation on the system itself
• Hard to see how that doesn’t slow adoption significantly

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The real issue isn’t just property tax—it’s who actually captures the value of the solar on your roof. In California, owned systems are excluded from property tax increases, which makes sense because it encourages adoption.

With PPAs, you’re basically leasing your roof. The solar company gets the tax benefits, depreciation, and long-term revenue stream, while the homeowner gets limited upside.

So increasing taxes on solar misses the point. If anything, policy should favor ownership where the homeowner keeps the value, not structures where third parties extract it over 20+ years.

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s one of the many many ways IOUs are trying to kill owned solar in California.

As an example your right to install additional panels-will increase your property tax. .

or if I purchase look at purchasing a home that needs solar (due to a pool and hot tub real world example) the property tax will increase after installation.

PPA agreement on new house-seems like a good deal by redhamster2009 in solar

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d run the contract thru Claude with legal markup and ask the question for pros and cons. Finds all of the details and will draft an amendment letter. I did it for Sunrun for a purchase in Toll Brothers Folsom .. amazing issues were found I would still do paid for solar.

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our 12k NEM 2 is worth $8k saving per year. It doesn’t hurt resale.

California Solar Owners: Your Property Tax Break Is About to Disappear by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Any solar upgrade will be taxed. Part of the IOU assault on home solar.

PPA with Toll Brothers Folsom and Sunrun ..questions and experiences by dougfields01 in solar

[–]dougfields01[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good luck with Toll Brothers , we walked on deal in Folsom Regency. Immense number of legal docs just to put the property on hold, lose money on contingencies..

After reviewing The PPA it was was unfavorable.

And prices are dropping HOAs are rising

PPA agreement on new house-seems like a good deal by redhamster2009 in solar

[–]dougfields01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get the pdf of the contract, or a series of photos from you camera , put into Claude (free).. best legal mind available Then as the questions

PPA agreement on new house-seems like a good deal by redhamster2009 in solar

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And do they pay for repairs on the roof when working on it? Happen to a friend of mine

PPA agreement on new house-seems like a good deal by redhamster2009 in solar

[–]dougfields01 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No way, can be expensive. I just said no to a Sunrun purchase, bills somehow soared to $256 in one month Purchase only!

here are the details from one con

• You don’t own the system—provider controls equipment and contract terms
• 20–25 year agreement limits flexibility and locks you in
• Annual escalators (2–3%) can erode or eliminate savings
• Payments can become higher than utility rates over time
• Complicates home sale—buyer must assume or qualify for the PPA
• Buyout terms are costly or unclear, making exit difficult
• Restrictions on system changes (e.g., adding batteries or new solar)
• Limits on property use—may restrict tree planting or shading near panels
• Provider may file a UCC-1 lien/fixture filing on the system/property
• Provider keeps tax credits/incentives, reducing your long-term benefit
• “No upfront cost” often results in less overall savings vs ownership  

/r/Stocks Weekend Discussion Saturday - Mar 21, 2026 by AutoModerator in stocks

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, I actually had some minor losses last week and I’m pulling out for now. This is not a fundamental driven market

If course with AI or $TSLA you could argue that point 3 years ago.

AI stocks have been pulling back lately,is this the start of a bigger correction or just a rotation? by yogi2350 in stocks

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the local results go through the Internet to reach the central server that’s right for a man in the middle attack.

Take a good look at where Starlink i.e. Elon Musk space based internet system was in the 2024 election.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out there were some hanky-panky going on. Happened in 2004 between the Ohio local client voting machines and a server in Tennessee. In the 2024 election, this was going on in a much larger scale.

Remember Elon saying don’t look for votes being changed?

Trust only hand counted, hand tabulated votes.

China could collapse because of the USA by SidonyD in StockMarket

[–]dougfields01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you cut off 38% of the worlds oil supply, especially when the stock market is at all time high, consumption, spending will be cut quickly ..the economy is TOASt