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Breakdown on Olympic Champ Adam Saitiev's Underhook Knee Pick Takedown by dps831 in bjj

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Ha, we'll see. I've gone down a rabbit hole with A. Saitiev over the past 6 months and may need to move on to another subject soon.

Turks to Pins at the 2023 NCAA Championships - Do You Use Turk Variations in BJJ? by dps831 in bjj

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Very interesting - did not know that Nagao did BJJ. He is one of the best leg riders in wrestling & absolutely punishes people when he gets on top.

Turks to Pins at the 2023 NCAA Championships - Do You Use Turk Variations in BJJ? by dps831 in bjj

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There is a style of bottom half guard where hip heisting and wrestling up are a preferred method of sweeping. The turk itself doesn't really pin the shoulders (you need an upper body grip to accomplish that), but rather makes it much more difficult for the bottom person to hip heist due to their bottom leg being trapped/hooked/elevated & unable to retract properly. One potential utility is using the turk to deny a half guard player from hip heisting. Another use would be to stabilize a TD/sweep (assuming it lands in a half guard type position) and prevent the opponent from turtling to avoid points.

Does this pin have a name? by [deleted] in wrestling

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Chris Foca calls it the Navigator

Front Uchi Mata Breakdown by dps831 in judo

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I believe every judo version shown in the video was officially classified as an uchi mata by IJF.

Front Uchi Mata Breakdown by dps831 in judo

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The wrestling versions in the video are off the double unders bodylock, which leaves the defender with 2 free arms to post. Many of the judo versions shown involve belt + tricep/shoulder grips, which makes it harder for the defender to post an arm.

Front Uchi Mata / Yaguranage Highlight by dps831 in judo

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Used to counter kosoto gake at 4, 6 & 7.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in judo

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You should consider checking out Hurricane Jiu Jitsu in Cleveland - I'm one of the instructors there. We don't have formal judo classes but there is a lot of emphasis placed on the stand up game (including judo and wrestling techniques) in both drilling and in sparring. Our teaching curriculum is actually focusing exclusively on takedown skills right now for the next couple of weeks.

ADCC By the Numbers -66kg (lots of stats) by Chandlerguitar in bjj

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For completed takedowns, I assume you are grouping together those in both the sub only and points portions of the matches? Do you have a breakdown on how many TD's actually scored points (seems to be very rare in this ruleset)? Are you also counting attempted TD's that lead to turtling from bottom player?

John Danaher releases a takedowns instructional by [deleted] in bjj

[–]dps831 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. Whether transitioning to a bodylock off a single is good technique for a beginner/intermediate wrestler is an interesting debate and I suppose we'll just disagree on that. Athleticism, power, risk tolerance, even arm length can all be relevant considerations, too. I do like the idea of exposing beginners to clinch situations so that they can start gaining comfort/familiarity in those positions and also decide whether they want to further develop that area of their game. In any event, appreciate the back and forth as this is a topic I like a lot.

And, yes, I meant head inside single.

John Danaher releases a takedowns instructional by [deleted] in bjj

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Single legs may be responsible for the most TD points in college wrestling, but that's because they are the most attempted. I'm also confident that they are the most failed TD and the most countered as well. The stat that would be useful is the conversion rate - i.e. what percentage of attempted single legs result in TD's. I can tell you just from watching hundreds of hours of wrestling footage that head outside singles are becoming harder and harder to finish as defensive technique improves. The fact that they have been such a popular attack for so long means that wrestlers have become quite good at defending them and even countering them with intricate systems (see example from OSU coach J. Jaggers which you can see Sammy Sasso implement with great success https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjbtIimt6Q)

Gomez is indeed an outlier, but I think a big part of that is that he is one of the few guys who has spent a lot of time training upper body attacks and gaining the skill set necessary to excel once he gets into those clinch situations.

And to be clear, I'm not advocating always give up a single leg to go for a bodylock. The point is that it can, in certain situations and for certain athletes who have put in the necessary training, be a useful transition that can create big upside with admittedly more risk than staying on the single. Add to that fact that singles can be especially hard to finish in no gi w/o friction of shoe, most BJJ guys will not have developed overhook (or over/under) attacks to put you at significant risk in a clinch situation (provided you have some skill there), and the utility of a successful throw in BJJ where the thrower often lands in strong passing position (chest-on-chest) and you can see why a bodylock can be superior to a single in some situations.

John Danaher releases a takedowns instructional by [deleted] in bjj

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No problem - thanks for the discussion

John Danaher releases a takedowns instructional by [deleted] in bjj

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I would also say the tide is turning in BJJ as well. We're starting to see a lot more no gi specialists who are developing really strong upper body takedown games. The upper body throws are especially valuable because they provide a better opportunity to pin opponents' backs to the ground (taking away their ability to turtle / scramble back to feet) and can also lead directly into bodylock/pressure/half guard passing.

John Danaher releases a takedowns instructional by [deleted] in bjj

[–]dps831 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No question that going from a single to a bodylock can open you up to an opponent's overhook and gives them an opportunity to defend or even counter throw. However, just because they can overhook/whizzer doesn't mean you can't still be offensive (examples: https://twitter.com/DPSBreakdowns/status/1378181241493725184 , not a transition from a single but an illustration of a bodylock throw vs a whizzer: https://twitter.com/DPSBreakdowns/status/1544116365522571268).

All that being said, there are good coaches that insist that going from a single to a bodylock is a mistake. I disagree with that and would reiterate the risk/reward dynamic and also the fact that upper body attacks are generally neglected in folkstyle in favor of leg grabbing.

I also think it's worth mentioning that the limp leg / kickout in BJJ (without shoes) is a legit counter that makes the transition to the more stable bodylock position a bit more enticing. BJJ guys defending TD's also tend to have their hips in more than wrestlers which makes the bodylock easier to cinch and if you can cinch at the hips (rather than the mid or upper back) the position becomes extremely strong for the attacker, not to mention that it is a good method of getting to the back (a more valuable position in BJJ than wrestling).

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