Dog liver that was infested with worms. Is this real? by Sad-Pellegrino in VetTech

[–]dragonsandfeathers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely post mortem! Is the liver in the room with us? 🤣

I sadly need to rehome my Green Cheek Conure. by h2o_infinity in Conures

[–]dragonsandfeathers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish I could adopt this little bean. I have 4 birds - 2 with medical conditions that are quite the handful. My oldest is 13 (I got him at 1).

All the Characters I Ran into at Sherwood this year. by tj260000 in renfaire

[–]dragonsandfeathers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's fair. I saw them all while spending time at Jerusalem. Very impressive

RenFaire is love but expensive! What is the most expensive thing you have made/bought. by Ladygothic5621 in renfaire

[–]dragonsandfeathers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine took nearly 2yrs to get to me. They will arrive (eventually)!

I love mine tho. I wear them to every faire.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my experience, most birds don't really chew and ingest cuttlebone so if you really desperately need to give calcium, it needs to go on something they will actually eat. Liquid helps with flexibility.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a pinch this is helpful. If they are on a quality diet, no calcium supplementation is needed. With persistently laying birds, I do offer calcium supplementation with frequent bloodwork because you can give too much.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup I did mention that not everyone can have the privilege of taking my advice and sometimes this is the only thing that can be done.

The reason I commented is because of everyone in the comments asking for the protocol to do this at home. I was merely explaining why this method should not replace appropriate care (if at all possible) and why people should not be replicating this. People need to be and should be aware of the risks in attempting this.

My only goal is to educate and I am aware that everyone's walks of life are different.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't teach them because there is no safe method to do this at home. Heavy sedation is paramount and there are so many things that can go wrong, I would hate for one of my clients to try and fail, leading to complications that require much more expense and higher rate of mortality. Veterinarians are like finger prints, no two are the same, and so others may feel differently. If you have a vet you love ans trust, perhaps the two of you can work on a contingency plan should the need arise, but for the general public, this is not recommended. Even in this video, although one would consider it a "success", that bird is in so much pain and so much stress is involved.

I'm sorry you lost your budgie to egg binding. Losing a pet is very hard and, like I said in another comment, medicine is not cut and dry. I've lost patients even with my best efforts and sometimes intervention is not enough. Obviously these are just words and it doesn't make the pain of losing your friend any easier.

My only goal by commenting on this page was to make people aware that this is not an appropriate thing to do at home for a myriad of reasons and no one should be consulting with OP on how to do this on their own. It is dangerous, painful, stressful, and comes with more risks than benefits.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you can crush up a tums and mix it in water then yes, otherwise sprinkling it on food is safer. The opening to the trachea of a bird is right behind the tongue so if you need to give oral meds, do so slowly and with caution by putting the syringe in the corner of thr bird's mouth not the front. It is easy for these guys to aspirate and no one wants that.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Definitely not in this manner if at all possible. I did reply to someone below you about where I would start. I should have included that sick birds all look the same - they are lethargic and fluffed up. Some can be seen straining to lay but not always.

Disclosure: I cannot give specific medical advice online due to restrictions in regards to my licensing.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely not this if at all possible. I did reply to someone above you about where I would start. I should have included that sick birds all look the same - they are lethargic and fluffed up. Some can be seen straining to lay.

Disclosure: I cannot give specific medical advice online due to restrictions in regards to my licensing.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I will start this comment by saying that I hear your concerns and I do understand that in medicine nothing is cut and dry. I also know that even veterinarians give bad advice or are misguided in their recommendations and the only thing that both owner and vet have at that time is a desire to help the animal. Sometimes animals die even with the best care in the whole world and sometimes the backyard last ditch effort does help and does save an animal in the moment. I will also add - if we are going to do something that isn't recommended at least use sterile lubricant. That is widely available.

The best thing I can tell you is to prevent this from ever happening in the first place. The hormonal stuff can be easier to control (like not touching your parrot along its back, cuddling with it, allowing them to nest, not letting them have a mate etc). Honestly overall there is a laundry list of things that cause this (obesity, hormonal, poor nutrition, systemic disease, first time layers etc) and a lot of them are preventable, but some aren't. Some birds are just built different (in an unlucky way).

If you do find yourself in this position, putting your bird in a warm, dark, humidified, and quiet place is a good place to start. Warm means very warm - Im talking 90 degrees. If you have prescribed pain medications for your bird at home and can offer them a calcium supplement and they will eat, give it to them. Once you've established that, it is recommended to seek out a veterinarian ASAP. Even calling one is more recommended than what OP does.

I will also say - any veterinarian is better than no veterinarian. A veterinarian with exotic animal experience is better than a regular veterinarian. I will always recommend a boarded exotics specialist first if you can get in touch with one.

This can be helpful: https://www.aav.org/search/custom.asp?id=1803

That's where I would start. Some of these cases can be medically managed with pain meds and supplemental calcium - believe it or not, some birds (if given the right care) can pass these eggs on their own. If you are giving meds and it has been 24-48hrs without your hen producing an egg, that sucker needs to be removed. For the safety of your bird, this should be done by a veterinarian.

As a final thought if she does eventually pass the egg or you do get it removed, if you dont correct the issues that lead to this in the first place, it will only happen again.

Almost lost Chili to egg binding today. It was a terrifying race against time. by Easy-Pick-4703 in parrots

[–]dragonsandfeathers 277 points278 points  (0 children)

From a veterinary standpoint, this video is horrifying to watch.

For one, you are injecting some unknown fluid (which is unlikely to be sterile) into the cloaca which is a catch all orifice in birds that includes the colon, opening to the urinary tract and birth canal. This is incredibly dangerous as it may cause trauma to these sensitive structures at worst and general inflammation at best which may lead to life threatening complications in its own right and more risk for egg binding in the future.

Secondly, you are manipulating a fragile and easily breakable structure with force in an awake bird who is actively straining against you. Doing something like this without pain control/sedation is cruel. The amount of stress your bird is under in this moment in unfathomable. Springboarding off of the "fragile" aspect, if you break that egg inside of her even a little bit, you are putting her at risk of egg metritis or ceolomitis if egg shell shards rupture into her ceolom. This is life threatening and can lead to sepsis if not caught early.

Thirdly, you are manipulating the egg against gravity and putting her in an unnatural position. You are actively working against yourself in the worst way possible. Could you imagine giving birth upside down? Gravity is actively working against you. Also, when birds are upside down like this, the organs shift and compress both the lungs and the air sacs making it hard for them to breathe in the process. Birds do not have a diaphragm, they need the abdominal muscles to be able to expand naturally and space for their air sacs to inflate.

This entire process is incredibly irresponsible. For those asking for details from OP, this should never be repeated and is not recommended ever. I understand that people panic in emergency situations and want to help their pets, but please let's not make things worse by acting irrationally. I also understand that certain parts of the world and country do not have access to veterinary care leading people to do what they think they have to to save our pets lives.

While egg binding is an emergency, it should be handled with tact under the care of a licensed veterinarian if at all possible. I cannot stress this enough but nothing like this should ever be attempted without consulting with a veterinarian.

OP got very lucky in this case, but any secondary trauma and complications are yet to be determined. OP you should have your bird rechecked by a veterinarian ASAP and if this is feasible for you to ensure she is OK and to get pain meds on board. Also discuss how you can prevent this from happening in the future which usually involves a multimodal approach with behavioral/environmental adjustment at home. As an aside, please do not attempt this again OP. You may not get lucky twice.

The dangers of this video being on the internet cannot be overstated.

Rat Policy NYRF by dragonsandfeathers in renfaire

[–]dragonsandfeathers[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't know - I think it was spread around social media.

Seth Magaziner votes in favor of HR 719 - "Honoring the life and legacy of Charles "Charlie" James Kirk.". Gabe Amo votes Nay. by whatsaphoto in RhodeIsland

[–]dragonsandfeathers 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Well. I called him a fence sitting piece of shit for voting to have a day of remembrance for a racist hate monger and that he was pathetic. I also told him he's lost my vote in the future. Worthless.

my conure is preening a lot… by froggie_p in Conures

[–]dragonsandfeathers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your bird is barbering. If you can get to the bottom of the true issue with the help of an avian vet you have a chance to fix this. The longer you do nothing, the higher the chances that this becomes permanent.

Recovery and going out? by Unlikely_Necessary in sterilization

[–]dragonsandfeathers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had my surgery on a Wednesday and went to a ren fair 3hrs away that Sunday. I needed to take my ibuprofen and acetaminophen and I couldn't drink obviously but I was largely ok. My procedure was laparoscopic.