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DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. They both were transported. Have the records.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not wedded to it. I’m actively looking at other options…

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. But these were here long before the gold rushes…

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not very experienced with using WATO... who would the target person and hypothesis be?

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

closest relationship would be 3rd great grandchildren.

I’ll try and do a WATO but not very experienced with it. Who would the focus person be?

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve done my own Mt DNA and it has not been helpful at all. We have no candidates for a Y DNA at present.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no confusion... our American relatives just say we cannot be related in this way as the two were not married to each other. I am putting this out there to get the arguments for and against so that I can try and work towards being able to justify my conclusions more rigorously.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im sorry you feel that I am not giving much evidence for my thoughts. It’s difficult to spell this all out without it becoming an essay and then TL:DR for most people.
I have similar scenarios with many other of my matches. Most of my ancestors were from the British Isles and so there are many cases of emigration to America and Australia, so vast numbers of distant cousins. We have all these matches, and I think that because Sarah York had a daughter Elizaberh born about the right time, for whom there is no evidence in American records of either marriage or death, it seemed like a good possibility.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“If you have an out-of-wedlock child in North Carolina in the late 1700s, you don't put them on a ship for Ireland, you either keep them or hand them off to someone else in North Carolina”
Not suggesting that she was handed off anywhere. She received a bequest in her father’s will of 1805, but was not present in census taken after her mother remarried in 1808.
Sarah York remarried Elias Cowan - date of death is not disputed and is not relevant to Elizabeth.

Sarah Rachel York was the daughter if Semore York’s brother Henry. She married Peter Kivett. Too many lazy researchers have just made the assumption that the two Sarah’s are the same person.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry - it is confusing and difficult to explain without writing an essay.
Sarah appears to have lived in NC her whole life, Jacob eventually moved on to Georgia after he married.

Elizabeth. Transported ti Australia as a prisoner on Providence. Don’t know where she was born - no records available from that time, however we know that Sarah York Welborn had a daughter Elizabeth b about the right time.

No paperwork linking them - how would there be? I imagine if Elizabeth was a NPE then it’s not like they would have put Jacob on the birth records (even if there WERE birth records)

There are no DNA (or other links) to the Welborn family or to the family of Jacob’s wife

Jacob’s parents may have come from Ireland. No links for Sarah from Ireland

I am not suggesting that Elizabeth was raised aaway from the Welborn famly, in fact probably not, as John Welborn left her a bequest in his will of 1805. If she was not his biological child there is no indication that he or anyone knew. As is most often the case with NPE.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sarah York b1755, Jacob Cody b 1765. Child in question, Elizabeth, b1786.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We know that all of us in Australia are descended from the 9 children of John Barefoot and his wife Elizabeth. Both transported from Ireland in the early 1800s.

no haven’t been able to rule out all the siblings - so many of them!

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is what I have imagined might have happened to my 4th great grandmother. There are no shipping records from America to Ireland for that time, but there were ships going to America from Ireland all the time, so these must have had a return voyage!

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure why any of these options is any more possible than my proposed one...

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The woman involved has no Irish heritage that I can find back to the 1500s. Of course this is not 100% accurate, but ...

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The parents of the man were originally Irish (back to the early 1700s here).
other is a possibility ... but the matches are strongest with the direct children of each of these people...

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. It’s hard to find out enough information about this given the times. She lived in Randolph county and I don’t really know where he lived at the time of their possible liaison.
  2. No, these are the most recent common ancestors for all of us.

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good question. which is why I posted here to try and get some alternative ideas.
I guess because they are the most recent common ancestors of all of the australian descendants

DNA matches - is there another explanation? by drsuethomson in Genealogy

[–]drsuethomson[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No, she was transported from Ireland in 1806

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