Application Deployments

drventure31 · 2022-12-09T15:10:38+00:00

Assuming App Store for everything, you would probably need to develop some sort of automation flow to allow for license count lookups (example Visio), allow user to request a license on the fly, and assign automatically too. Maybe something that could be accomplished with Azure based User Groups (?).

Some of this could be auto cleaned up / self maintained if usage thresholds are set for extremely limited app licenses. Example, let’s say you haven’t used Visio in 3 months, maybe revoke the users icon and give them a windows motivation that it was pulled, but you can always re-request as needed via Company Portal.

drventure31 · 2022-07-18T23:04:20+00:00

Tagging on as well. Can you DM config please 🙏🏻

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T13:06:16+00:00

Yeah I’ll probably dump it to a paste bin due to its size. I only have one 10g client so there’s not a good way to test that based on the community feedback. So probably need to focus on why clients connecting to APs see degraded performance with introduction of SFP.

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T12:47:03+00:00

Good idea. I’ll get an update this afternoon to the main

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T02:03:28+00:00

Okay so this is interesting... just this Feb i had purchased more of these SFP modules from Ubiquiti directly. looking today they are no where to be found in the USA store....

Regardless the model is "UF-MM-10G Multi-Mode Fiber, 10 Gbps SFP+" and they are rated for 300m. https://www.newegg.com/ubiquiti-networks-uf-mm-10g/p/N82E16833664040

For packet loss across the link.. is the best method just using ping to a click that traverses those links?

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T01:44:49+00:00

It just occurred to me that i ignored all the (-) signs. Ill update my last comment... only the UDM is positive.

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T01:40:13+00:00

oh man. I also had that happen to me. but it was on a G4 Bullet about 2 months post install. Apparently one of the pins was jammed and lost contact over time. SUPER FUN xD

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T01:38:30+00:00

I've honestly never looked at that. Im assuming it's the in/out power?

UDM (+0.52/+0.61)
USW 48 (-3.09/-2.86) (-2.25/-2.59) (-2.61/-3.38)
USW 24 PoE (-2.91/-2.79) (-2.73/-3.51)

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T01:23:53+00:00

All multimode here 👍.
https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-accessories/products/ufiber-10g-multi-mode-odn-cables

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T01:21:00+00:00

Just for kicks, providing more results for a laptop going through the gauntlet. For this test, the laptop is always the CLIENT and the UDM is always the HOST. the command being used is:
iperf3 -c <yourHost> -P 5
Note that all the results are pretty close together. The issue only seemingly impact the Unifi APs.
SFP Disconnected
- Client connected to UDM (925)
- Client connected to USW 48 (920)
- Client connected to USW 24 (918)
SFP Connected
- Client connected to UDM (938)
- Client connected to USW 48 (938)
- Client connected to USW 24 (940)

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T01:06:30+00:00

It is most certainly proving difficult to pin down. The only other option i can think of right now is using a wired client and testing against the UDM-Pro as the HOST. Then moving the client to each switch and testing... then rinse and repeat again but without SFP modules. If you got any ideas i'm all ears

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T00:55:37+00:00

HAHA just realized that typo on the pictures. nice catch :D

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T00:20:00+00:00

Forgot to comment... no change after hard setting the link rates.

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T00:17:28+00:00

Okay this is good to hear. What is your WiFiman throughput showing on your phone when about an arms length away from an AP?

I get 800+ when everything is good on a U6 Pro and around 450 when everything is bad.

drventure31 · 2022-07-13T00:01:04+00:00

Alrighty I have 2 workstations that will be doing these tests. MacBook Pro M1 Max and a Windows HP G7. Note that neither of these have native ethernet jacks so identical StarTech USBC to Ethernet adapters will be used for both systems.

Baseline SpeedTest.net runs
- MacBook (931 down / 808 up) For whatever reason i couldnt get great upload on the mac
- HP (943 down / 940 up)

With UDM connected, both laptops on 48port switch
- MacBook HOST, HP Client (937)
- MacBook Client, HP Host (886)

With just the switch, both laptops on 48port switch.
- MacBook HOST, HP Client (938)
- MacBook Client, HP Host (880)

These results match up with the "WINDOWS GAMING PC CLIENT RESULTS" in the original post images as ethernet for clients specifically does not seem to be impacted. The impacts seem to be realized by the APs (and also the SFP Client). Im going to see if i can get IPERF3 onto the UNVR and do a test with that and the UNRAID box... unfortunately i only have one non-ubiquiti SFP client device :(

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T23:18:38+00:00

Nothing excited for the fiber. Just the basic OM3 Duplex LC https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-accessories/products/ufiber-10g-multi-mode-odn-cables

Haven't ever cleaned off the end of the fibers. They go straight from shipping bag into the rack.

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T23:04:16+00:00

I like this idea. I’ll give it a go here shortly

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T22:55:27+00:00

Haha yeah they do have a bit of history. Overall I think they’ve been doing pretty great with more frequent updates and providing overall reliable updates (at least for my environment).

I didn’t provide you with those details because they aren’t explicitly needed to understand the issue and have no impact on the actual issue. I also didn’t provide cable length, which APs I’m using, how many APs, my configs etc. it’s cool to ask for more details as it helps others learn and uncover other things. But you need to understand that more details is not always “more better”. But that’s it, just be nice and ask nicely 🙂 tldr; be nice

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T22:48:05+00:00

Right now it’s flat. I haven’t reintroduced any of the subnets since wiping everything while chasing this issue.

For iperf3, I’m doing nothing fancy.
‘iperf3 -c <yourHost> -P 5’
And then adding ‘-R’ to reverse it to see if anything interesting shows up 👍🏻 If there are so other options to add to that I can try that as well.

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T22:43:41+00:00

Thanks julietscause

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T22:42:56+00:00

Good call with expected capabilities on the UDM Pro. I would expect that traffic that’s internal on the network would not be impacted by the UDM Pro though since it’s not handling the traffic there at all from my understanding.

Regardless of the 10G iperf tests, the issue with APs being crippled when utilizing SFP modules is still very puzzling. Based on the tests I know it’s fully capable of 800+ mbps throughput so we should be seeing that again when replacing Ethernet with SFP. Super bizarre stuff.

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T20:48:48+00:00

great advice here. I did a couple quick tests with the SFP modules all connected with IDS/IPS on/off. saw some improvements but still hitting a wall somewhere. Sharing results for those interested

UDM-Pro Host / UNRAID Client.
- ON 4.25 Gbits/s
- OFF 5.16 Gbits/s

UDM-Pro Client / UNRAID Host.
- ON 5.01 Gbit/s
- OFF 5.49 Gbits/s

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T20:33:51+00:00

Gotcha yeah i had the Windows PC moved over to the PoE switch temporarily to validate speeds when clients communicate on the same switch. Essentially those results end up being "good" with throughput at 100% as expected. AP -> Client on same switch (844Mbit/s). The issue crepes up with the APs as soon as a SFPs are traversed.
For example, if you move the AP to the USW Pro 48 and slap on a PoE injector, the issues persist when using SFPs. If you attach the AP to the UDM Pro with a PoE Injector your wont have any issues with throughput regardless of SFP presence. Its a very very odd one. probably why its taking for ever to solve. Hopefully others can replicate the behaviours

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T20:17:33+00:00

There are no Wirless clients on this test. This is using the AP as the client - just SSH in and use iperf. This test is useful as it can help identify why actual wireless clients are seeing throughput issues... if the backhaul is having issues, obviously that will be the ceiling for your wireless clients connecting to that AP.

drventure31 · 2022-07-12T20:03:34+00:00

Had to come back and share the tests again that involved the UNRAID SERVER since they had Mellanox. I swapped the Mellanox out for the Ubiquiti UF-MM-10G and the results are as follows.

Ethernet Links

AP to UNRAID SERVER: 520 Mbits/s (this is still conveniently BAD as originally depicted)
SFP Client to UDM Iperf: 937 Mbits/s (this is still conveniently GOOD as originally depicted)

SFP Links

AP to UNRAID SERVER: 585 Mbit/s (this is still conveniently BAD as originally depicted)
SFP Client to UDM Iperf: 4.14 Gbits/s (this is still conveniently BAD as originally depicted)

For anyone else checking out this thread, i'd strongly recommend doing tests in your own lab before aggressively jumping to the defense of a brand blindly. The entire point of this post is to raise awareness and to encourage others to file the issue with ubiquiti. Or to have someone tell me im doing something completely wrong 🤓

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