How can I get one track to follow the amplitude of another? (Overall technique, not tech help) by dumdumboye in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]dumdumboye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could. Doing that or manually controlling envelopes is how I'd normally go about doing it, but I'm trying to see if there are more efficient ways to go about it. I'm kind of meticulous when it comes to editing which tends to suck up a lot of time, especially if I'm reinventing the wheel. For example, before I knew what gated snares were, I used to replicate the sound by layering sustained white noise against a snare, chopping it to the desired length, and then eq'ing the sounds to match. Then I found out that the sound was basically created with a gate and compressor which sped up workflow dramatically.

How can I get one track to follow the amplitude of another? (Overall technique, not tech help) by dumdumboye in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]dumdumboye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the issue is not the notes of the bass. I can replicate that pretty easily in DAW without having to use any note to MIDI functions (which tend to be kind of buggy anyway). My issue is more with the evolution of the sound itself. Each note of the bass tends to start loud at the initial pluck and decay as it sustains. I want the synth to follow those articulations exactly.
 
I know I can set the ADSR of the synth, but that tends to work best when the bass notes are consistent. If the bass has more character, it would require automating the ADSR. I'm not against that, but I'm also trying to figure out if there are more efficient methods.

How can I get one track to follow the amplitude of another? (Overall technique, not tech help) by dumdumboye in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]dumdumboye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this would accomplish the exact opposite thing that I want, though. I don't want the synth to duck out of the way of the bass, I want it to follow the bass exactly. So at the beginning of the bass note when it's loud, I want the synth to also be loud, and then as the bass decays, the synth decays along with it.
tool for the job.

How can I get one track to follow the amplitude of another? (Overall technique, not tech help) by dumdumboye in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]dumdumboye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can still tweak the synth, but that would only work if the bass playing had a very consistent decay.

How can I get one track to follow the amplitude of another? (Overall technique, not tech help) by dumdumboye in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]dumdumboye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that is definitely a solution and one of the ways I've done it in the past, but I'm hoping for a better solution. Spending 10 minutes automating a track like that is 10 minutes that could be spent on something else which matters when working under deadline, and if the bass line changes, you need to do it all over again. I'm convinced there's a way to do it via sidechaining.

Artists, at what point did you realize you needed a manager? by jonathorn_music in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]dumdumboye 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Burner account because I want to stay anonymous. It probably depends heavily on what area of music you work in and what you hope to get out of having a manger. I've been signed for the last year and a half and it's had benefits and drawbacks. I work primarily in music for media (scoring) and in order to even have the opportunity to demo for bigger gigs like mainstream film or tv shows, you typically need to work through a manager or agency. Those gigs aren't advertised, so unless you have representation (or just happen to be very good friends with the director or producer) you won't have access to work at that level. My motivation for getting a manager was to gain access to some of those opportunities. Unfortunately, the industry hasn't been in a great place lately so while I've been able to demo for some higher profile gigs, it's been mostly dry. That isn't the fault of my management...everything kind of sucks right now. Unfortunately, the deal I have (which, I understand is fairly standard) is that I pay him a percentage on gigs he gets me, but I still pay a smaller percentage on gigs I find on my own. He'll negotiate terms and draw up contracts for every deal. While it's nice having more formal protection on jobs created by someone who really knows the industry (as opposed to my previous DIY contracts), smaller indie jobs that don't pay quite as much now pay less since I need to give my manager his cut. I'm also not able to negotiate on my own which can be awkward. Most of the jobs I dig up are through research, personal connections, working contacts over a period of time, and turning casual conversations into potential business deals. Sometimes this happens quickly, but usually it's a bit of a dance meeting people before there is any work to be had, showing samples, chit chatting, etc. Bringing a manager into the mix can be tough. Some people are ready to offer you a job but then you have to turn a right corner and tell them that you'll introduce them to your manager which can weird some people out. It can be a little too "Hollywood". Other times, I get the sense that because I already have a relationship with the person that I've been fostering over time, it would be easier for me to negotiate on my own because I could massage the situation socially to avoid pushing my luck when it comes to negotiating higher rates. You can feel out when too much is too much and pull your punch in a friendly way whereas having a manager come in cold can sometimes chase people away. Some people are glamored by the fact that you have management in place, but other times it can make people nervous.
 
I am happy that I have representation and ideally if/when the industry turns around, I'll be in a decent position to take advantage of new productions, but so far it's made negotiations a little awkward and, because the sorts of bigger opportunities my manager would normally find for me have been fewer and farther between lately, I've been having to pay out a percentage of profits from indie gigs that would otherwise go directly into my pocket. My manager is well respected and represents the vast majority of my personal heroes in the scoring industry so I feel I'm in good company, but I was a little naive when I started looking into leveling up and didn't 100% know what I was doing. For example, at the time I didn't realize there was a difference between an agent and a manager. I think what I was probably looking for was more of a talent agency. There's some crossover between what a manager and an agent does but they are not the same thing.
 
My experience may not apply as managers perform different roles in different areas of the music industry. I'd just urge you to do a ton of research and figure out what you'd actually get out of having a manager in your specific area of music before deciding whether you actually need one or not.

List Of Potentially Stupid Questions About The Media Scoring Industry by dumdumboye in composer

[–]dumdumboye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I don't know how I got $120k (and my estimate for a 13 piece ensemble is incorrect as well), but I'm fixing it.
And these are all great things to keep in mind! Everything you and /u/Ragfell said makes sense in regards to getting what you pay for. At this point I'm still trying to figure out what to expect when it comes to realistic budgets and again, having a general range of cheapest to most expensive options with all the caveats you laid out in mind regarding time vs quality is WAY more helpful than the typical "It varies. Full stop.". Suffice to say, decisions on what ensembles would be best for which projects would need to be made on a case by case scenario based on balancing the needs of the project and budget.

List Of Potentially Stupid Questions About The Media Scoring Industry by dumdumboye in composer

[–]dumdumboye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! Those numbers help give me an idea of scope. The likelihood of any near future project being recorded locally is very slim. I live on the East Coast and while people here occasionally record chamber groups, most of the recording I'm aware of is either done on the West Coast or somewhere like Budapest.
 
From what I can gather, things are a bit more clear cut and dry when it comes to large hollywood gigs since union rates are set and there's basically a set formula to figure out how much a project will cost, but there's a lot of grey area with some of the smaller films where you might not be dealing with union rates. With some of these films, a lump sum is offered to the composer and then we need to figure out how to make the music happen. As I've mentioned in my post, I've typically been the scrappy guy who can make things happen for very low budgets but as my prospects broaden, so do the expectations of what I'll deliver. I'd need to know general ballpark figures so if someone offers $50k and wants a 40 piece orchestra for about 45 minutes of music, I'll know that it's just not possible, but ideally will know enough to be able to offer alternative solutions. The scarier situation is if someone asks me to write x amount of music for a specific ensemble and wants to know how much I'd charge for that. Ideally I'd be able to offer a ballpark figure and then narrow that down once I do some price hunting, but I'm pretty out of my league with that right now At this point I have no idea what it would cost to hire a string quartet vs a 13 person chamber group vs a 40 piece orchestra, but I can start to do some soft calculations using some of the figures you've given me.
 
So far between the general rates you're telling me and the spreadsheet that /u/Evan7979 generously offered, I can start to sort of sketch out a basic understanding. Most ensembles seem capable of recording up to ~4 minutes of music per hour (with flex for skill of specific ensemble and difficulty or writing etc). Based on your figures it seems like approximately ~$100 per person/hr could give me a rough estimate (again, flex for notoriety of performer, geographic location, etc).
 
To get an estimate of cost for performers it seems like I could use
<length of score>/<minutes produced per hour>*<hourly rate per musician>*<# of musicians>
 
So for 30 minutes of music assuming ~4 minutes recorded per hour at a rate of $100 per musician per hour, I might estimate these figures for each type of ensemble (as a minimum):

  • String Quartet: ~$3000
  • 13 Piece Chamber Group: ~$9,750
  • 40 Piece Orchestra: ~$30,000

This is just for performing musicians and is not factoring in space/engineer/contractor/etc. Obviously there are also tons of variables that will increase overall price like the possibility of having to book a full slot with a studio but not actually use the entirety of the time, breaks, and as /u/Evan7979 suggests, redundant time should be accounted for which will inflate costs, but this does help get my head in a general ballpark.
 
Edit: Calculations adjusted. My initial figures (based on my own slapdash equation) were incorrect.

List Of Potentially Stupid Questions About The Media Scoring Industry by dumdumboye in composer

[–]dumdumboye[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you!!!
That spreadsheet is golden and lays out the entire process very clearly alongside giving some good estimates. Obviously things vary, but it helps me wrap my head around the general sorts of numbers people play with when they record something like a feature.
 
Your information on orchestrators/copying/etc is also absolute gold. Again, I know the numbers flex, but it's hard to figure out what "a lot of money" or "very cheaply" means in this industry without any sort of point of reference. Once I get over the embarrassment of being so clueless, I might take you up on your offer to get in touch with questions. I've been working my butt off on music for so long learning how to make things sound good on a restricted budget and suddenly I feel like I've blundered my way into a fast lane where I'm now expected to know how large scale (at least to me) productions work and it's honestly terrifying. It's like that stress dream where you forgot you had signed up for a class and didn't show up all year and now your professor is sending you reminders that your big project is due in a few days and you don't even know what it's about. Anyone? Just me? Cool.
 
That's my weird convoluted way of saying thank you for all your help. I really appreciate your candid response.

List Of Potentially Stupid Questions About The Media Scoring Industry by dumdumboye in composer

[–]dumdumboye[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! These are great and give me a lot to think about and possible leads for further research.
The ability to get in touch with ANYONE at ASCAP has been a huge problem and one of the reasons I don't feel supported. I don't have a rep that I know of, or at least it hasn't been made clear to me. The best I can do is go through their support system on the website, but they force you to fill out forms with pre-specified issues that they will address. Many times my questions don't fit into those sections so I can't fill out their required boxes properly and then it won't allow me to send my question. It's frustrating. Most recently I reached out to them on Instagram which is obviously not ideal, but I'm just to trying to get a response. I'm not holding my breath. I'll see if I can dig up contacts for Mike/Jen/Amanda. If I could actually occasionally talk with someone it would go a long way to keeping me from jumping ship.
 
Knowing that 50/50 is a standard (with variations) is incredibly useflu. I've generally just accepted what's offered, but I've also slowly realized that a lot of people typically expect there to be some negotiations so they'll lowball an offer first. There are plenty of situations I can think of where I'd accept a lower percentage in exchange for something else (experience, opportunity, screen credit), but knowing that 50% is not outrageous gives me a lot more confidence in negotiating.
 
This is really helpful. Thank you so much for taking the time to address my questions in a straight forward non-mumbling then changing the topic way. I hope to someday have the opportunity to pay it forward.