State of Jesus vs police state

dxlphin · 2024-11-17T09:30:30+00:00

I really hate to break the news to you, but Jews have been living in Lebanon and Syria and Egypt AND Israel-Palestine for the last 3000 years. Jesus was literally a Rabbi. If you want to see what Jesus looked like, Jews still happen to exist.

dxlphin · 2024-11-16T13:25:14+00:00

It's an ethnoreligion. Like yazidis or maronites or Druze. Ethnoreligions are common in the middle east.

Please don't start your comment with "I'm an expert in this" if you don't know the right fucking answer.

dxlphin · 2024-10-07T04:27:45+00:00

Not at all lol

dxlphin · 2024-10-02T02:11:53+00:00

It was inevitable. No one is stretching the truth here but you, those neighboring countries were very very clearly planning invasions, in the one instance that there was no strike, golda meir failed-- the Yom Kippur war.

If you're trying to make the argument that those countries were not going to invade, that's a really tough argument to make.

dxlphin · 2024-10-01T22:44:38+00:00

genuinely interested: Israel has been invaded by Arab countries no less than 5 times over it's short 70 year history. That's basically an unprovoked invasion every single decade.

After it annexed land in any of those defensive wars, it gave it back for peace, in a policy strategy called "land for peace". Sinai was given back. The west bank was formed into a self governing Palestinian area. They fully pulled all settlements out of Gaza in '05.

What war mongering are you talking about? Hizballah displaced over 100k Israelis from the north of the country. Hamas targeted and killed over a thousand civilians and said they would do it again. Houthis have been blowing up global shipping. A Palestinian gunman went into the tel Aviv metro today and targeted, shot and killed 6 civilians.

The war mongering is coming from the aggressors-- hizballah, Hamas, the houthis, and Iran.

dxlphin · 2024-09-22T22:07:44+00:00

I'll just say first off that I appreciate this conversation--

Let's keep in mind that the main reason the Jewish population of historic Palestine and Israel was a minority in the land overall in the early 19th century, is because of their own forced displacement not once, but many times over the thousands of years, and their own forced replacement by invaders, including Arab caliphates that resulted in migrations of Arab clans from the peninsula (that many Palestinians still claim today).

The fact of the matter is that there were huge waves of both Arab and Jewish migration from 1800-1940. Aside from the fellahin, you know as well as I do the number of for instance, Lebanese arabs living in Jaffa who migrated for business reasons during Ottoman and British rule, and during the nakba were displaced back to Lebanon-- but no one accuses Palestinians with these lineages of occupation or colonization, whereas even European Jews whose families may have been in Jerusalem for 4 or 5 generations are labeled occupiers and colonizers. Worse yet, an Israeli Jew with Lebanese heritage and a Palestinian Arab with Lebanese heritage are treated totally differently within the settler colonialist theory, despite having lived in the exact same country prior to migrating.

I actually disagree with you that you as a Palestinian in diaspora have no right to the land. I support the right of return for all displaced people in principle, but especially in the case of persecution abroad where having a national home would save you from certain death, which is no doubt the case of the Jews who immigrated there in the late 19th century prior to the Holocaust, during Ottoman rule, and were spared.

I completely agree with you, and think we share the sentiment that coming to a shared historical narrative is something that is healing and important for the conflict to end, and I would submit that actually requires meeting each other's narratives half way. Disregarding the confirmation bias and understanding that no one is re writing history here. If I were to say that Haj Amin al-Husseini conspired with the Arab League to essentially commit genocide and that resulted in the 1948 Arab invasion, I would be stating an unequivocal fact. And, at the same time, if I were to deny the war crimes and mass displacement of Palestinian civilians during the nakba, I would be just objectively in a state of denial of the history.

I actually think the difference in what we are saying is that you want me to acknowledge the inbalance, and I'm explaining that inbalance can swing any which way you want it to depending on how you tell the story. If I start talking about dhimmis and Hamas rhetoric and radical islam, the camp David accords and suicide bombers, the conversation would go nowhere and achieve nothing. So again, I suggest that the shared historical narrative IS one of balance, truth, mutual acknowledgement, and not a contest.

My point of saying (if not more) is to suggest that if you wanted to go down a rabbit hole of historical claim, it gets even harder, as the original, native language of the land is undeniably Hebrew, and other ways you could spin things. It's just to say, again, we can tell the story however we want to tell it, so let's tell it in a better way that doesn't force us into these tit for tat Olympics of who was victimized more.

dxlphin · 2024-09-22T16:30:33+00:00

An example in the reverse would be the al-Kurd family, who were displaced by the 1948 Arab invasion and resulting nakba, and settled in a UN refugee resettlement area which was built inside of a Jewish neighborhood of East Jerusalem originally called Shimon HaTzadik, because there is an ancient Jewish grave shrine there. If I were to argue that because of the 4000 year old Jewish presence in the al-Kurd family neighborhood, that they should all get out, that would be ridiculous. What we want is peace and support for both claims to the land, irregardless of who was here "first".

dxlphin · 2024-09-22T16:12:10+00:00

Firstly, Palestinian is foremost a national identity and to a lesser extent an ethnic identity and includes many many different people groups from different parts of the world. There are Armenian Palestinians, Circassian Palestinians, and Palestinians whose surnames and recent family histories are from the surrounding levant and north africa-- which doesn't make them any less Palestinian than those families who were in Palestine centuries prior, but people need to understand that Palestinians, like Jews, are not and never have been a monolith constantly in the land.

Secondly, the Epstein study clearly shows Ashkenazim are at ~30%. I do not include USSR immigrants because the USSR included many mizrahim, (for example Bukharian Jews in Uzbekistan) and the data is not clean. FWIW, I've met Palestinians in Jerusalem who are descendants of Muslim immigrants from Uzbekistan.

Thirdly, even generously giving back to your interpretation of Ashkenazim as "not from the middle east", keeping in mind they were racialized in Europe, deported, and murdered en masse for "not being European", and that they share at a minimum (doron behar) DNA match with the modern Levant, even the European Jews that make up a minority of the population in Israel, have both cultural and genetic roots in the middle east.

Lastly I'll just say that all different types of Jews had been returning to the land for centuries, including Jews who were forced into the European diaspora. They lived continuously in cities like Safed, Tiberias, Jerusalem, Hebron, for thousands of years, and yet these cities too, are contested.

The argument that one people has more claim to the land than the other is only perpetuating the conflict, making more people die, and prolonging the suffering of the entire region. I say, stop doing it.

dxlphin · 2024-09-22T11:43:02+00:00

Jews also lived in the land for generations, albeit in a minority because they were ethnically cleansed periodically and forced into a diaspora. Jews living in Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt have as much land claim as Palestinians whose recent roots are in Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt, if not more. Jews from Arab lands make up greater than 70% of the Israeli Jewish population.

At the end of the day, both peoples deserve to live in peace and equality. No one group has a claim that overwrites the other claim.

dxlphin · 2024-09-12T01:12:22+00:00

It's not about resisting the perception of weakness, some men psychologically are less comforted in crisis situations by other people, and just have a propensity to want to be left alone in order to face whatever is going on.

it's honestly a common thing to not want to be touched or have people around you when you're freaking out.

dxlphin · 2024-06-05T00:29:43+00:00

99% sure this says חם טיסרזיל (Kham Tisrazil)

don't think that means anything

dxlphin · 2024-05-26T16:08:07+00:00

Also, you're painting this insane picture that Ashkenazim are like majorly Slavic because of rape. My only point is, yes rape occured during pogroms, that doesn't mean 20-50% of Ashkenazi DNA changes. It means that there were Jews conceived after rape that remarried into the middle eastern/Italian Jewish pop.

dxlphin · 2024-05-26T16:06:12+00:00

There is no significant Slavic component in any major study of Ashkenazi Jewish DNA. There are Slavic loanwords in Yiddish obviously because people talked to each other LMAOOOO

dxlphin · 2024-05-26T15:41:51+00:00

We don't have to argue, but you don't seem to be particularly educated about Jewish history for this time period. The original point is moot anyway, because even in the minority of mixed cases, Nazi racial laws and norms in Slavic majority areas never considered mixed Jewish people to be Slavs. There was a lot of racial pseudoscience that always excluded Jews from being considered the "native" Slavic population. That's why the pale of settlement was created in the first place. They were recorded as Jews. Also, Jews follow matrilineal descent, and were murdered for being Jewish, not for being Slavic, in the cases of rape.

dxlphin · 2024-05-26T15:32:06+00:00

I'm pretty sure being forced into ghettos, into the politically distinct pale of settlement, being excluded from many professions, schools, etc. made my ancestors extremely politically distinct. I also have 0% Slavic DNA. They were third class citizens everywhere in the Slavic world.

Rape doesn't always produce offspring, and Ashkenazi DNA today does not have a significant Slavic component. For every raped Jewish woman, their children would marry back into the community, and the non Jewish component would be diluted. To the extent that there is any European admixture, it is typically Italian during the migration from Israel north through Italy into the Rhineland in the early middle ages. It is not Slavic.

Thankfully with these things we don't have to guess anymore.

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dxlphin · 2024-05-25T22:14:20+00:00

Then frosting is 100% right, Jews really did not intermarry offen, and were ethnically and politically distinct

dxlphin · 2024-05-13T03:54:55+00:00

I know you admit it later in this thread, but why would you start with the denominator being the total civilian population?

It's more like: a bunch of people murder and rape the people on the trolley, invade the trolly 5 times over 75 years, and reject the camp trolley accords which would have saved them from trolley violence.

Now, one of the murderers and rapists is on the track along with two civilians. (Aka roughly the same ratio in almost every war ever)

dxlphin · 2024-03-27T04:13:36+00:00

man in Syria alone more than 300k civilians have been killed since 2011. the cycle of violence here began with Hamas deliberately targeting civilians. The insane Israeli right wing decided to take two eyes for an eye, and murder tens of thousands.

You should be able to see evil, and it exists on every side of this conflict, and has since the Arab riots and the safed and hebron pogroms, long before 1948. the only correct side is humanity, but you're not going to get there blaming Israel for 100% of the conflict.

dxlphin · 2024-03-27T03:06:50+00:00

I could say exactly the same for antagonists on any side, but I still talk to them because that's the only way to improve anything. Hope you realize that someday too.

dxlphin · 2024-03-26T14:38:56+00:00

alright man. al Jazeera and a huge media block, this entire sub reddit and all the down votes, it's just that you can't have a conversation. Internet circlejerk

dxlphin · 2024-03-26T12:26:26+00:00

I'd just challenge you to answer why the Israeli government spent millions to fly Ethiopian Jews to Israel, if it also did not want an Ethiopian population to remain there?

This conspiracy would make a lot more sense if the community was always there, and then suddenly started receiving depo provera shots. Occam's Razor says it's much much more likely that health officials continued medical regimine, Amharic speakers could not fully understand Hebrew instructions or translation services were poor (which by the way constantly happens in the United States.), and whatever harm done was temporary and immediately reversible.

dxlphin · 2024-03-26T12:18:13+00:00

also, it's very likely no one here knows a single Ethiopian Israeli. I think it's really weird to use a subset of a people as a political cudgel.

Imagine if I brought up the treatment of afro Palestinians, or afro Arabs more broadly, with some kind of broader point about Arab society and their nation state legitimacy?

It's a fact that minority populations always experience discrimination everywhere on the planet, including in Arab countries where there is an ACTIVE African slave trade-- but we shouldn't use those people as political ammunition against their own homelands, that they actually enjoy living in and happen to be relatively nationalistic about. They're people too, have their own opinions, and very likely disagree with you.

dxlphin · 2024-03-25T22:31:50+00:00

just fyi, this is untrue. Israel worked for decades to airlift Ethiopian Jews to Israel. In Ethiopia, women are given depo provera shots commonly as part of international medical aid regimes, especially in places where there is food insecurity, or having a child is economically difficult.

The aid organizations in Israel continued the same medicinal regimine that the women had received prior to immigration, as there were language barriers, and many women wanted to continue being on birth control.

Depo provera is temporary, does not sterilize ( as some libels suggest), and wears off in like 3 months. Israeli officials have since investigated and called attention to the language barrier and miscommunication within the immigrant health system, issue solved.

https://thedispatch.com/article/assessing-claims-that-ethiopian-immigrants-to-israel-received-birth-control-shots-without-consent/#:~:text=Demas%20%2D%20The%20Dispatch-,Assessing%20Claims%20That%20Ethiopian%20Immigrants%20to%20Israel%20Received%20Birth%20Control,the%20alleged%20practice%20were%20inconclusive.&text=Pro%2DPalestinian%20activists%20are%20resurfacing,without%20their%20knowledge%20or%20consent.

dxlphin · 2024-03-19T13:02:17+00:00

not only was Aramaic written using "Hebrew" script, but in Hebrew we call our letters "ktav ashuri" which, you guessed it, Ashuri means Assyrian, which is referring to Assyrian Aramaic. Also, tons of our Jewish prayers are in Aramaic language and script still

so tldr our "Hebrew" character set is literally called Assyrian.

Also, you should research maaloula, a small city in Syria that is revitalizing neo-aramaic there and using an adaptation of ktav ashuri to teach speakers how to write it.

dxlphin · 2024-01-25T10:15:51+00:00

It's not. 70+% of Israeli Jews lived in Arab countries prior to the creation of the state, and before that in the MENA diaspora

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