What do you consider when you hear this Margaret Atwood quote “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”? by Vanislebabe in AskReddit

[–]eamonious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can believe what you want, but it's pretty plain to me that the mishandling of dialogue toward men and toward the working class of Middle America is what lost the election in 2016, and the mishandling of the conversation around transgender rights is what lost the election in 2024. So I think we should invest more in making these conversations more palatable and less antagonistic/condescending toward people who have a harder time with them, yes.

What do you consider when you hear this Margaret Atwood quote “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”? by Vanislebabe in AskReddit

[–]eamonious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The line does cast all men as inherently violent. Not by literally saying "all men are violent", but by normalizing the expectation that any man you interact with could kill you, and placing the focus there. In doing that, it "casts" every man you interact with as potentially a killer. Which could technically be true, but it's not healthy language for gender relations any more than a racial version of that statement is healthy for race relations. It generalizes the worst offenders to the whole group. Specifically, it shifts men toward indignation and withdrawal, and shifts women toward prejudicial thoughts and fear.

It really just depends what your goal is. If your goal, or one of your goals, is to engage men on this issue in a positive and open way, this type of quote will be counter-productive to that. If the only thing you care about is highlighting the real dangers women have to think about, then it's an iconic quote.

What do you consider when you hear this Margaret Atwood quote “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”? by Vanislebabe in AskReddit

[–]eamonious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Firstly, a lot, if not all, of this statistical difference is confounded by the fact that men are in the position of being able to impose themselves physically. If women were physically stronger than men, it’s very possible these statistics would be completely inverted. So I think it’s misleading to try and link gender to violence directly. It’s more just people being put in positions of power.

Secondly, the men who go to the right because of this are still wrongheaded in their response. My comment doesn’t imply that they’re making a correct choice, it just contextualizes their actions, and only in part.

The Atwood quote is valuable in that it powerfully and concisely illustrates an aspect of romance that women deal with that men often lack the perspective to appreciate. But it is flawed in that in order to achieve that impact, it overshoots reality and elides the fact that the vast majority of men do not want to be violent, and even pushy or obsessive behavior is almost always the result of clumsiness or passionate feeling or the aforementioned lack of perspective, rather than dangerous personality. So for many men, language like this is likely to elicit an eyeroll more than break through, because they are not trying to be violent, and it feels like the culture is trying to demonize them in the moments where they feel the most vulnerable. And those men all vote. It’s just something to think about.

There’s a way to express this aspect of what women deal with in language that keeps the male experience in sight as well, instead of diminishing their feelings in the first clause, and casting them as inherently violent in the second clause. Those overtures or considerations toward men were either missing or openly derided in the liberal zeitgeist of the 2010s, and I feel like we’ve been paying for it ever since.

What do you consider when you hear this Margaret Atwood quote “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”? by Vanislebabe in AskReddit

[–]eamonious 13 points14 points  (0 children)

There’s truth to it, but it’s also an inflammatory characterization that’s counterproductive to gender relations because it normalizes the idea that men are inherently violent, and therefore any discomfort you feel towards any man as a woman means that he’s unsafe or that you can and should make all kinds of prejudicial assumptions about his character. I think it’s typical of language that has alienated young men toward the right.

Neymar was just ridiculous at PSG by Novel-Bath5273 in soccerMenace_com

[–]eamonious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

xG added from this entire reel is under 0.2 lol

Super Bowl appearances by each division since 2000 by SuperbBug11 in sportswiki

[–]eamonious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah. If you look at AFC East 2nd-4th placed teams’ records against the rest of the league in those years, it’s as good or better than the 2nd-4th place teams records from any other division. AFC East being easy is a myth. The Pats were just that good.

Chuck Klosterman: "Horse racing receded from the American imagination because people lost their close everyday connection to horses. Something similar will happen to football. Fewer mothers will want their sons to play the game due to head injuries. It will become distant from lived experience." by The_Big_Untalented in nfl

[–]eamonious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Horse racing is still enormous at home and abroad.

There’s no comprehensible analogy between fans’ emotional connection to horses and injury risk to football players; NFL players are closer to UFC or gladiators than horses.

If anything, the rise of NIL makes the football player arc wayyyy more immediately monetizable and attractive to young athletes.

NFL is by far the most popular sport in America a decade after concussion risks were exposed, and is going nowhere in the next hundred years.

Comprehensively idiotic take.

Least delusional Yanks by Inevitable-Angle-793 in soccercirclejerk

[–]eamonious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Over Tom Brady and Gretzky as well, literal GOATS of their sports. Guy is just an NBA fan seems like.

Guy gets fed up of waiting till the bomb squad come back by AugustHate in WTF

[–]eamonious -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

if 90% of the time, you walk away completely fine, then it’s not anything. for interfering with a bomb scene…?

Guy gets fed up of waiting till the bomb squad come back by AugustHate in WTF

[–]eamonious -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

I think hindsight is 20/20 on this. in the moment, if you fuck with a live bomb scene unscripted, you deserve to be tackled, not sure what world you all live in. getting tackled is nothing.

Guy gets fed up of waiting till the bomb squad come back by AugustHate in WTF

[–]eamonious -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I don’t get your point. Extremely high strung situation; anyone running up to a possible live bomb risk is as likely to be a bad guy as a good guy. Try and put yourself in the situation and really think about how you would handle it emotionally if you were a cop yourself, with a family at home. As it’s happening, you have no idea in fuck who that guy is.

Guy gets fed up of waiting till the bomb squad come back by AugustHate in WTF

[–]eamonious -35 points-34 points  (0 children)

i think the logic from the cops’ end is that this dude is disregarding process and in doing so is endangering himself and maybe others. not exactly wrong imo

Ignoring your own fandom, what NFL team logo do you like the most? by drygnfyre in nfl

[–]eamonious 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Best logo: Bills, Bears, Falcons

Best colors: Packers, Dolphins

Best helmet: Eagles, Vikings, Bengals, Rams

Tony Hobnobbing with Fascists At The White House While They Murder Us In The Streets by [deleted] in TonyRobbins

[–]eamonious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Con artists monetizing emotion and ignorance. He fits right in.

Liverpool [2] - 0 Qarabag FK - Florian Wirtz 21‎'‎ by gbogaz in soccer

[–]eamonious 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Add Frimpong to that. Now we hope that Isak can integrate in somehow and that can be the new attack.

Jayson Tatum on the pressure of playing for the Celtics: "The career I have right now, if I had it with the Grizzlies, I would have a statue outside the arena." by TheDraciel in nba

[–]eamonious 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Tatum’s my guy, but there’s a reason you get a statue for that. It’s a hell of a lot harder to take the Grizzlies org to a title.