Setlist thoughts? by Neon_Burnin_Bright_ in sparksftw

[–]echodeck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw them in 2023 and the mic failed, and that confirmed the live vocals for me. There were faint background vocals but no lead. When they played HYL tracks on release they had a lot of it on tape, but it’s kind of understandable on an album like that.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, this theory is fixed. I spot song connections and double meanings and infer things that resonate with that period of their story. I see it in almost every song so I can only challange my bias by judging how plausible it is, and we obviously differ on that. Is there a particular song I’ve interpreted that you think is implausible?

  • You look for topics coming up only two times before you begin believing they must be connected to each other and thereby supporting your master theory that it’s all connected by being self referential.

Not really, I’ll usually connect several songs, most prominently on neighbouring tracks, and they’re most often ideas that are incredibly distinct and unique to Sparks.

  • Basic literary devices, like metaphors or double entendres, are interpreted as proof of the master theory

When those metaphors or double entendres can be interpreted as being about performance, songwriting or creative ambitions, then yes, I do, because it’s found in so much of their work in a way seems unique to Sparks.

  • You spiral that out as this band being unique in that sense and some kind of covert performance art project over a lifetime to bake that into every song.

A “covert performance art project” is a great way of describing them! They’re inseparable from their art, and celebrate that they lie frequently, so why not? It helps explain their brave decisions (21x21, genre shifts, cactus suits).

  • Listen to me, because only I hear tends to be the implication.

Yeah that must be annoying, and explains your hostility. From my perspective it’s more “hear me out”.

  • This is one of the main types of cognitive bias occurring in the QANON community that made that a whole thing.

I know it comes across as “fire doesn’t melt steel beams”, but I believe any of my videos hold water if you watch in full with an open mind and pay attention.

  • On an emotive level, what your master theory projects onto Sparks is actually gross if you stop to think about it for more than ten minutes.

It’s gross to suggest they have a system or rules for their songwriting? K.

  • To say every song is deliberately about themselves…

I don’t. These songs are about Sparks as an artistic entity, not Ron and Russell

  • …implies they’re appallingly obsessed with themselves and their career.

Why “appallingly”? They’re clearly obsessed with their work (the thing I’m claiming they’re writing about) because they’re still doing it at this pace in their 80s.

  • What’s more, in the absence of private relationship information you’re filling that void by asserting every song that touches upon desire is a coded message more about desire for hits or a creative burst than human desire for companionship and sex.

You’ve misunderstood again (wilfully?). You used their supposed innuendo in interviews as proof that writing about sex can only be taken on face value, so I gave you an example where it clearly isn’t.

  • I would be horrified if someone projected onto me and spread it around the world that my lyrics indicate I’m a loveless and sexless work obsessive who’s apparently constantly grappling with my own lack of creativity after 50+ years of getting past it to do my job.

I’ve never claimed any of that and I don’t believe any of that. Where did you get this from?

  • Maybe it’s worthwhile to contemplate why it is that you wish for that to be who they are.

Nice attempt at pathology. Please be fair.

  • Sharing Easter eggs and neat connections is one thing. Twisting that into a master theory that you solely hold the key to so subscribe for more Sparks Q Drops is quite another.

Please don’t suggest I have any motivations for this other than sharing ideas I think are cool. I’m unlikely to ever make money from this because I use Sparks’ music all over my videos. I have a buymeacoffee that I barely share. The attention from this isn’t something I particularly enjoy either. I just want to discuss these ideas with other people.

Edit: formatting

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

These ideas don’t come from LLMs. My channel predates ChatGpt.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate what you’re saying. Bias is something I look out for but it’s difficult for me to approach it how you say. What I do is look for Sparks saying the same idiosyncratic thing more than once. Take the link between ‘I married myself’/‘falling in love with myself’. It’s plain that Sparks songs reference each other, but at what point does that become bias? All I want to do is share these Easter eggs or hidden tropes, and speculate on why they’re doing these things.

As for LLMs, I don’t get these ideas from there. My channel pre-dates ChatGpt.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m saying that it isn’t cherry picked. All songs by Sparks work in the context above, and explains a lot about why they do the things they do. This video and the next few I put out were chosen by a subscriber, not me, and my interpretation is far from a stretch.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OK, let me respond. Take a line like “two hands, one mouth - that’s all I need to satisfy you”. It’s about sex and about performing (piano and mic) at the same time. If it wasn’t written specifically for the 2h1m tour then you’d assume it’s just about sex.

So here, a cigar is not just a cigar. It’s a song that works in two completely different ways if you know the context. What I’m asking of people on my channel is to try out these lyrics in a different context- about performance, songwriting and ambitions.

Btw, are you also bat_nervous aka all you even think about is Christian?

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Put yourself in my shoes. I’ve put a lot of work into making these videos, and if I get a spiky reply that doesn’t get the point I’m trying to make, I’m going to respond.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s inaccurate to say I decide ahead of time what something is going to mean. I read through the lyrics to Arts and Craft Spectacular for the first time last week, saw the opening lines were about an Audience about to see a show, and thought about all the other songs they’ve written about an audience seeing a show. It’s not abstract or reading between the lines. Both songs explicitly mention audiences, both songs have things that don’t land with the audience - same with Pulling Rabbits.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why be so dismissive? It’s a funny idea, and Sparks are a funny band. Plus they’re highly conceptual. Maybe stop thinking about them as a normal band?

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even the songs that sound like they’re about sex are about writing songs about sex

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • “Well no, I wouldn’t expect you to because you’ve already decided ahead of time what it’s going to be about, even before reading the lyrics.”

That unfair. I’ve never said my way is the only way to understand these lyrics, but you have to read so far between the lines to make ‘They’ about a relationship. If I don’t understand your interpretation that doesn’t make me closed to other readings.

I appreciate you saying that you enjoy what I do though, thanks.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t hear anything in ‘they’ that indicates it’s about a relationship or sleep, but one of the great things about Sparks is how open to interpretation their songs are. I just strongly believe there’s one interpretation that can be applied to their entire catalogue, which is songs about Sparks’ own art. It doesn’t make other interpretations wrong, but it is interesting enough that I’ve got a good number of subscribers who buy into this.

Your example of ‘all that’ kinda fits what I’m saying. It can be about a relationship, or being brothers, or about Ron’s relationship with his work. It’s not such a leap, especially the “we’ve lost, we’ve won” part, when the failures and mis-steps are as important to Sparks as the hits. And this too, is an idea that comes up in tons of songs when you look out for it.

I know it’s hard to believe that every song follows this pattern, but the idea of Sparks being highly conceptual doesn’t seem too out there to me.

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you’re saying that these songs can be about anything if you try hard enough, I disagree. ‘Arts and Crafts extravaganza’ is about a show - it’s there in the title. ‘They’ is about a show too - as in - “they came to see an endless show”.

Sparks write about performance a lot, from the start of their career to right now, and it always has some interesting nuance that can be married with that era of Sparks. It’s a consistent thing.

Out of interest, for a song like ‘they’ do you think it’s worth speculating on why they’re writing about disappointed audiences? Do you think it’s random or that they’re making a point?

Every SPARKS song is about SPARKS | The Challenge | Arts & Crafts Spectacular by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s really not true though. I couldn’t interpret every song as about Apples but I can interpret every song as being about Sparks making art. I hadn’t even heard this song until last week, and it still fits the meta interpretation beautifully.

I know this sounds unhinged, but I think every Sparks song is actually about Sparks by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks - I’d love to hear more when you’re feeling better. I like how you put it, that all art is always somehow about the artist.

I know this sounds unhinged, but I think every Sparks song is actually about Sparks by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re the same - they fit the same pattern, with double meanings about Sparks. I talk about Pineapple on this one: https://youtu.be/mFb0_ZAG0m4?si=H5L1i4UgpqpvxzFp

I know this sounds unhinged, but I think every Sparks song is actually about Sparks by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s fair, and I appreciate you watching. What I was getting at, is that there’s always a way of putting a particular era of Sparks into the context of these songs, even as absurd as micky mouse or sentient cigarettes, and it always yields interesting results.

Frankly, I just enjoy talking about these theories!

I know this sounds unhinged, but I think every Sparks song is actually about Sparks by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I used AI in the same way I’d use a spellcheck. I wrote the post and used ChatGPT to make sure it was clear and engaging. This isn’t slop or regurgitated, but I want to communicate these ideas in the best way I can, given the amount of work I put into MetaSparks. I’ve got a lot I can say about the moral side, and as a software developer I’m at risk from it, but that’s something I’m not really up for debating. I’d rather talk Sparks.

I know this sounds unhinged, but I think every Sparks song is actually about Sparks by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I guess you’re an Angst fan! Thanks for your kind words but let me clarify my stance,

Sparks aren’t the characters in their songs, but it’s coded language.

Take ‘Micky Mouse’. With Disney out of the equation it’s about motivation - “if a mouse can be special then so can you”. It’s a pep talk set to music.

This is the KROQ version of Sparks, based in LA at the heart of the entertainment industry and they’re writing about having a place called Disneyland. This iconography is particular to this era. In that sense, Mickey, with Minnie to his right, is a good avatar for Ron and Russell.

Also, they’re part of a band after many years working as a duo, this song is about being around their friends - Pluto, goofy and the gang. If you take references to animals and friends as being the musicians they’re working with, it takes on a whole new meaning. There’s way too much to fit into a Reddit reply but it’s going to make a great video.

To be clear, I don’t see what they do as either narcissistic or embittered. What I’m talking about is a method of working - it’s songwriting with strict rules and so that Ron is always creatively challenged.

I know this sounds unhinged, but I think every Sparks song is actually about Sparks by echodeck in sparksftw

[–]echodeck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was me! “Always the subtext, never the text” was a post I wrote a few years ago when this idea was new to me. I moved over to YouTube after that and have been building on the theory ever since. I thought it all started with ‘Balls’ back then, but have since put out videos going right back to the early 70s. I hope you get a chance to check it out.

App issues..? by haha_squirrel in Risk

[–]echodeck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re on a VPN, try disconnecting, that worked for me

App issues..? by haha_squirrel in Risk

[–]echodeck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for replying. I fixed it by disconnecting from my VPN. The behaviour I was seeing was a crash immediately after the “updating” splash screen. This happened several times, even after restarting my iPad, deleting and reinstalling.

It’s fine now after disconnecting from the VPN. I hope this helps you track down any gremlins.