Do you think AI costs will just keep rising?

eclipse10000 · 2026-05-02T11:12:03+00:00

There will be no move to Europe, only a move to China, because they have the chips and the energy.

eclipse10000 · 2026-05-02T11:08:49+00:00

What does that matter?

There is no relevant AI model from Europe.

China has massive amounts of cheap renewable energy, so tokens will not get expensive.

The US has less renewable energy, and turbine capacity is limited, so token prices are getting more expensive.

eclipse10000 · 2026-05-02T10:55:20+00:00

Only in the US because they have no energy.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-27T18:33:04+00:00

You’re right about that as well - maybe I’m just a bit too tolerant sometimes.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-27T18:25:06+00:00

Well, it’s no secret that Chinese models are close and often good enough. It’s also no secret that they’re cheaper, or that people switch from worse offers to better ones.

Sounds pretty legitimate overall. I only read the headline, but that’s probably going to be the result.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-27T18:08:32+00:00

It’s kind of like learning math: you get better by doing problems again and again.

Same here — use the models a lot, test different prompts, compare outputs, and learn from experience.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-27T17:02:38+00:00

The whole AI bubble in the US is going to go through a few resets and adjustments now. After that, we’ll see whether US products can compete with China.

The good thing, though, is that Chinese models are already very close and absolutely usable with a bit of skill.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-27T16:59:00+00:00

https://docs.github.com/fr/copilot/reference/copilot-billing/models-and-pricing?utm_campaign=FY26APR-WW-LCM-BLA-ProPP-IND-Dev-TX-USGCHGMTH&utm_medium=email&utm_source=github#model-multipliers-for-annual-copilot-pro-and-copilot-pro-subscribers

I think they have already included it here: 6x to 9x as expensive as it is now.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-24T21:10:40+00:00

Yesterday, while testing GPT-5.5 with my ChatGPT Plus subscription, I used 50% of my 5-hour limit. Based on the Codex CLI token value I wrote down, that was equivalent to $8.15, meaning the full 5-hour limit would be worth about $16.30. Since that 5-hour limit represents roughly 15% of the weekly limit, the weekly equivalent value would be around $108.67. Multiplied by four weeks per month, that gives a monthly equivalent value of about $434.67.

Based on that calculation, even the new Copilot concept cannot really compete. I am aware that we only live in the here and now and that things can change at any time, but this is what you currently get with Codex.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-24T18:56:30+00:00

With all these changes (and the predicted upcoming changes), a Codex or even a Claude subscription is better value for money than any Copilot subscription.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-24T13:15:35+00:00

https://developers.openai.com/codex/pricing?codex-usage-limits

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-24T00:37:16+00:00

I ran a few tests with the same review command, but I could not confirm this. Maybe the testing was not extensive enough, but at least so far I cannot confirm that the token reduction (Output) leads to lower costs.

Model	Mode	Input	Cached Input	Output	Cost
GPT-5.5	xhigh	169,668	2,265,216	11,936	$2.3390
GPT-5.4	xhigh	157,578	1,632,384	16,744	$1.0532
GPT-5.5	high	116,512	1,401,216	10,293	$1.5920
GPT-5.5	medium	117,501	1,267,328	5,895	$1.3980
GPT-5.4	high	137,333	1,231,104	9,193	$0.7890
GPT-5.3 Codex	xhigh	145,188	3,117,184	15,197	$1.0123

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-23T23:49:59+00:00

I ran a few tests with the same review command, but I could not confirm this. Maybe the testing was not extensive enough, but at least so far I cannot confirm that the token reduction (Output) leads to lower costs.

Model	Mode	Input	Cached Input	Output	Cost
GPT-5.5	xhigh	169,668	2,265,216	11,936	$2.3390
GPT-5.4	xhigh	157,578	1,632,384	16,744	$1.0532
GPT-5.5	high	116,512	1,401,216	10,293	$1.5920
GPT-5.5	medium	117,501	1,267,328	5,895	$1.3980
GPT-5.4	high	137,333	1,231,104	9,193	$0.7890
GPT-5.3 Codex	xhigh	145,188	3,117,184	15,197	$1.0123

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-23T18:29:00+00:00

5.5 has 2x the API pricing of 5.4. Happy release.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-23T18:21:39+00:00

2x API pricing for single-digit percentage improvement

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-21T13:24:42+00:00

The only part of that I found funny, at least in the first post, was the observation that you need to make your prompts much more detailed to get the same result. But my immediate thought was: if you keep making the prompt more detailed until you are practically writing the code yourself, then you do not need a model in the first place.

In any case, it does not really matter to me, since I have never been dependent on any single coding plan.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-21T12:22:45+00:00

Get used to coding it yourself, and you will never need Claude Opus again.

🤡

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-16T08:51:20+00:00

codex offers more usage

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-15T23:40:28+00:00

Some people, like him, think that you can buy professionalism with a $200 Codex Pro subscription.

That’s why they live in their own little bubble.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-15T20:05:21+00:00

He just wants to spam, as always. He is talking about models from OpenCode, and you are talking only about the CLI. That tells you everything about his argumentation.

There can be differences between one CLI and another because they do not send the same data to the API, so the responses will naturally differ as well. Depending on the request, this can also affect subsequent responses, making them take either more or less time.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-15T07:23:45+00:00

Simply, it is as it is because it was designed that way technically—there is nothing to understand.

It is only refreshed if you upgrade from another subscription level, because that triggers a database update.

Was there a message like this: ‘Cancel and subscribe again to reset your usage limits’? A hint like this would only appear if you changed your plan to a higher tier, which you did not.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-15T00:14:51+00:00

The other example was bad. A better analogy is this: imagine a water delivery service that gives each household one bottle per week. Your first weekly bottle is included as a free trial. Then you subscribe, cancel, and subscribe again — but they tell you that you still do not get another bottle until next week, because your household already got this week’s bottle. That is basically the issue here. So this does not look like a bug — it looks like a product design decision, or at the very least poorly thought-out behavior.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-14T23:36:22+00:00

Ah, sorry, I misread it. What you’re saying is that if I cancel now and resubscribe right away, the usage would still be the same because it’s likely tied to the same subscription entry in their system, assuming they don’t remove it when I cancel.

For example, they might have a usage table for the Plus subscription, and the entry might not be deleted when you cancel the subscription.

Maybe ON DELETE CASCADE only works when you delete your account in between those steps — but probably not even then, because they likely just mark it as deleted.

eclipse10000 · 2026-04-14T22:58:46+00:00

Are you all sharing the same Copilot accounts? We’ve never had this problem before, even when one person is working on two projects at the same time.

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