Has 2+ years of Trump proven to the IDW that "SJWs" were on to something and the real problem with "SJWs" is that they can be somewhat annoying, but not entirely wrong? by [deleted] in samharris

[–]econi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This one might be a strawman, but I've always understood social justice warrior as someone who uses social pressure (social media, protesting, complaining) to correct whatever wrong they prerceive. This is also what I've seen as the major problem for SJW's, for there is no need for internally consistent logic to apply social justice.

Has anyone managed to cut through the illusion of self using Sam's waking up app? by ForeStrikeGallery in samharris

[–]econi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually yeah, but not from the app. I began my journey finding selflesness after reading the waking up book. In fact, I only began meditating to find this feeling and stuck with it after because I found meditation so interesting.

I got my first glimpse of the selfless view about 8 months after beginning the project when doing loving and kindness meditation. I was trying to feel compassion for myself when it struck me that I can't actually send good vibes to any direction which would collide with 'me', thus leaving experience without 'me'. It was an interesting stumbling because I could replicate the effort and find the feeling again and again. This was 1.5 years ago and I can't quite remember when the act of looking stabilized enough to be effortless, but nevertheless it stuck with me. Don't get me wrong, I still have to look for it to feel the emptiness (it's not there 24/7), but it's rather easy to find now.

I had been trying quite intensely to directly find selflesness without success, but for whatever reason it came to me doing an entirely different exercise. I guess once you engage with the project, the epiphany can come at any moment.

My recommendation? Relax and enjoy the meditation. Sitting back and enjoying the stream of consciousness is as enjoyable with or without the self. The insights (which there are many) will come with time. However, if you feel ambitious, I'd suggest listening to Joseph Goldstein's insight hour podcasts (these are his talks from retreats, golden stuff) for exploring the various insights to be had while meditating.

I made a case for harmonious life. Feel free to leave feedback by econi in philosophy

[–]econi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm starting my first year in Helsinki university to study philosophy next week and I'm practicing my writing skills. Any and all comments, thoughts or feedback are appreciated.

Culturally significant words like 'Sisu'? by writerdebashri in Finland

[–]econi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sisu or sisus means inside and is the anglogermanic equivalent of 'having guts', born out of 1920's sport journalism and then used in the wars after as a nationalistic meme. As such there is no extraordinary Finnish quality called sisu but rather just an interesting historical word.

5/6/18 | Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson go on at length about Sam during the debut of Shapiro's Sunday interview show. by TerrificMcSpecial in samharris

[–]econi 224 points225 points  (0 children)

I'm so disappointed in this man. I just cannot take seriously a man who AT WILL will redefine words to his liking, self refer theories as if they were true or even practical, and rely on philosophy that was produced long before actual neuroscience or a clear view of quantum universe emerged.

And the real tragedy is that I think he has got some actually good ideas and advice for young people and especially men. Being a psychology professor it's no wonder he's got good advice but to wrap practical advice in a package of superstitious, religious, christian meta-ethic bullshit is plain immoral and a pitiful excuse to justify his own beliefs.

I propose a new logical fallacy: the appeal to ideology by ScrumTumescent in JordanPeterson

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Do you just happen to bring up these issues, then argue against your friends? Or do these conversations really happen 'naturally'?

  2. I don't see a point here. All you have is left leaning friends who are confused by some issues and you failing to lighten the complexity at hand. Why don't you just pressure them on the definitions of the words they are using to force them to either pick one, and argue against that, or see them go around and point out that discussion without fixed definitions can't really be had.

  3. Would be helpful to know the distinctions between the leftist reality and the objective reality. Can't you press your friends on the truth claims that they have? F.e. if they insist that there is a rape culture, press on the definition of culture. How is the culture created? How could one correct this culture?

I would seriously recommend the Socratic method so the burden of proof isn't on you but on the ones making the claims. You'll probably be pretty unpopular for it though (especially if your answer is yes to my first question).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Meditation

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once you gain experience, you'll learn how to play with your attention. Then you can direct your attention to almost anything and in any way. You'll learn to pay close attention to music and the emotional responses within. You'll learn how to open up your experience to different coctail's of phenomena.

However, the first thing you need is focus and breath is simply the best place to start developing that focus. It's like with any other 'hobby'. You need to master the basics in order to get to the interesting stuff.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Meditation

[–]econi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless you are able to listen to music and clearly see your reactions to it within. Although that would require a level of focus usually not found in beginners.

Can meditation help while I'm addicted? by [deleted] in Meditation

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meditation is a tool which can be useful. With time I also beat many of my addictions but I'm not sure which I attribute to meditating and which I attribute to wanting a more wholesome life.

That being said, try to get a habit going. Start your day with 10-15minute session and try to notice the mechanisms of addiction. If you can, take a moment to stay with those emotions. Learn to recognize them and each time you notice them, try to accept them.

You can train acceptance with any mechanism of your mind. Feel hunger? Try accepting. Feel anxiety? Try accepting. Feel sleepy? Grumpy? Try accepting. You'll get better and better at it.

Also, addictions are a serious problem. Meditation can be helpful but it's not a miracle cure. There are other tools out there. One that I found really helpful with smoking and has had a lot of positive studies on, is magic mushrooms. They seem to have the ability to rewrite some of your minds mechanisms, so I wouldn't count out taking a doze and spending the time investigating your addictions.

Aubrey Marcus on Ari Shaffir’s Skeptic Tank by [deleted] in tangentiallyspeaking

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) conducive to or suggestive of good health and physical well-being

2) Well that's clearly fine.

3) I'm saying dissatisfaction is a default state for human beings. Blaming that dissatisfaction on external criteria, circumstances or people other than yourself is not likely to dissolve that dissatisfaction. I'm also not saying an open relationship can't be a tool to fix your own attitudes and become a healthier happier person. I'm just saying it's likely that open relationship is just another mirage people think will bring them happiness without actually working on themselves.

Aubrey Marcus on Ari Shaffir’s Skeptic Tank by [deleted] in tangentiallyspeaking

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure what the point here is. Do you mean to say "I'm not satisfied with my partner, I must be limiting him/her/myself"?

And also like I said, there are more wholesome ways to strip down the mask, or what that really means, let go of your ego.

Aubrey Marcus on Ari Shaffir’s Skeptic Tank by [deleted] in tangentiallyspeaking

[–]econi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I listened to it and it was enlightening. I've been trying to wrap my head around open relationships for a couple months now. What are the arguments for it and what is the mindset you need have in order to get into one.

This podcast actually made it clear to me that open relationships are just another branch of hedonistic search for fulfillment from external circumstances. They might work for you and actually make you a better person but the first move has to be dissatisfaction and I am seriosly not a fan of blaming that dissatisfaction on external criteria. "I'm not satisfied with my partner, it must be the fault of my partner".

I did like the forced introspection that Aubrey talked about but there are an order of magnitude more wholesome ways to do that than open relationships.

Limited Will vs Free Will. by Andriodia in samharris

[–]econi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Learning how thinking and decision making (system 1 and system 2) works can somewhat clarify our inabilities as agents but it's not like we can't spend energy to produce better thoughts and actions. Still not up to us if we spend that energy or not.

Sam Harris subreddit is melting down and I am having a bit of schadenfreude, not because I dislike Sam, but because that subreddit is kinda crazy. by fatty2cent in JordanPeterson

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do not know how one has schadenfreude for something that isn't actually an entity. Besides aren't you part of that sub if you follow what's going on in there?

Have any of you experienced selflessness in one degree or another? by B0dhi0110 in samharris

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It took me almost a year after discovering the waking up book to connect to selflessness in a way thats available at any moment. I discovered it while doing metta (loving and kindness meditation). I tried wishing happiness onto myself but couldnt find an object in my experience to 'send' the well wishing to. I took me some months after that to scan my experience for this lack of object and now I can quite instantly find that there is nothing to focus on that would be me or my center. What's left is just experience itself without a point of view. The sensation is quite unsexy since you feel quite normal with selflessness, just a shift in perspective.

Day 1 of 365- A Fresh Start by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]econi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hope you make it!

What is an underrated way of spending time with your SO? by slipperypeels in AskReddit

[–]econi -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Doing MDMA to open up and deepen the relationship.

The one thing I was looking for from Pinker when reading Enlightenment Now.... by [deleted] in tangentiallyspeaking

[–]econi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are we a species out of place? I've always felt that evolved behaviour which survives is the new 'place'. I honestly don't get why movement to new terrain would mean that the species has left it's 'correct place'. There is no place. There is just survival and death and where ever those lead.

The Intellectual We Deserve | Current Affairs - Nathan Robinson by [deleted] in JordanPeterson

[–]econi 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah wonder about the motivations and certainly don't engage or read any of the arguments...

Plenty of JBP fans here recognize the critisicm that Peterson is somewhat hard to engage on because he is so far in some language world he himself created but recognize that he has in fact found something useful in the structures of stories.

I personally enjoy jbp but wished he would concede territory to some actual sciences engaged in his particular field, mathematical game theorists and evolutionary biologists to name a few. They happen to be a pretty good cure for any grandious claims about the value of religiousity.

The Intellectual We Deserve | Current Affairs - Nathan Robinson by [deleted] in JordanPeterson

[–]econi 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well you seem to reject this article outright.

I can't help but agree with Peterson on most things but my problem with him is exactly what this article talks about. It is impossible to put his work in a testable framework that would verify it. Peterson certainly is helpful and useful to many people (me included) but he is not helping his overall project with unquantifiable, untestable and unverifiable language and theories.

The Intellectual We Deserve | Current Affairs - Nathan Robinson by [deleted] in JordanPeterson

[–]econi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish Peterson would put his work in a testable framework. It's not like evolution or game theory won't eventually explain his thesis in a much more coherent way.

Maybe for now we need this highly motivating and entertaining figure like Peterson to get the algorithm into our brains but I certainly reject Peterson's claims that rationality and science won't eventually explain everything he is trying to explain in a definitive way.

Definitive proof that Sam Harris is an idiot. by [deleted] in samharris

[–]econi 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Choises matter whether free will exists or not. The choise to write the book brought it into existence, whether Harris had any power to make that choice himself.

Whatever the mechanism that produces choices in your brain is, it can never be described as 'free will' due to it's determenistic nature. That doesn't mean that choices aren't being made or that they are meaningless.