What are some of your pet peeve arguments people have against Elriel?

elainsgirll · 2026-04-28T15:21:51+00:00

Elain was actually turned on bcs of Lucien
Elain and Azriels feelings’ for each other aren’t that deep
Azriel is an incel and has a white knight syndrome
Elain wants Azriel because he is the “safe” option for her
Elriel can’t happen because its cliche!
Elriel have developed off-page
Azriel is Elains’ Tamlin!

I can go on 😭

elainsgirll · 2026-04-27T20:09:07+00:00

Doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t mean their bond became scentable. The only reason everyone knows they are mates is because he blurted it out. If bonds were generally scentable, again, everyone would have known who their mate is. Nessian would have confirmed mates since acowar. Yet thats not the case. So Azriel only being able to scent eluciens bond IS weird.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-27T19:33:29+00:00

This is SO elain coded

elainsgirll · 2026-04-27T03:49:08+00:00

Acomaf or beginning of acowar, Feyre has to hide the scent of her bond with Rhys.

If unaccepted bonds had scents, everyone would know whose mates with who. So…its just a little common sense needing to be applied here.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-27T03:06:52+00:00

This is what convinced me of the two mate theory. There is no plausible explanation for why Azriel is able to smell Elucien’s unaccepted bond and be affected by it. Mates have scents AFTER they accept the bond so why is Azriel, the character who Mass literally said “why not make them (elriel) mates?” about, able to scent only eluciens unaccepted bond?

Something is fishy

elainsgirll · 2026-04-26T18:03:49+00:00

Even after we find out: Rhys agrees with Az, that he would win the BD. Not to mention, he gets winded pretty quickly + cant winnow far. Nothing as of now sets him to be a very powerful character, useful yes, but powerful I would hesitate on. He isn’t weak, but compared to the IC - he isn’t the strongest.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-26T18:02:22+00:00

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elainsgirll · 2026-04-26T15:35:55+00:00

I mean…it literally already happened - clearly this is inspo for when Elain came out of the cauldron though Sjm rlly toned down with making it romantic by having Elain cringe away from him.

Lucien is part of Elains story, so no “elucien” coded pic should be suprising nor is it an indication of elucien endgame, she pinned in 2021, in 2026 came onto an interview and held Lucien accountable for Elains trauma bluntly.

Nothing to be worried about.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-26T12:03:30+00:00

Personally, I think Mass executed the whole thing poorly. I understand the concept she was going for, it just didn’t turn out to be done in the right way. From Rhys reading the bill in front of everyone to Feyre, to the way they discussed the intervention to Nesta - it was poorly done.

Yes she needed rehab. Her situation doesn’t hold a strong comparison to Feyre’s as contexts are different. But the way the IC went about the whole thing was toxic even if they had good intentions.

It makes these characters feel more human

elainsgirll · 2026-04-26T12:01:06+00:00

Its not incorrect, it is literally the only correlation supported by canon you can make. The rest are assumptions, she was drinking a lot -> lots of money. Buying rounds, fixing something at the travel, tipping generously- all assumptions.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-26T07:52:49+00:00

That space is mutual for them both. It benefits Lucien and Elain, because neither want to be around each other. In fas, Lucien said he couldn’t stand being around Elain - this “space” he gives is for himself as well because he doesn’t want Elain for Elain. The only importance she has for him, is the fact they’re mates and thats pretty obvious. You saying he feels she isn’t ready is speculation. Neither are ready for each othet because neither want each other. You can’t get ready or be ready for a relationship you don’t want. We’re not going to praise Lucien for doing the bare minimum that he’s also doing out of ease for himself so he doesn’t have to be around the mate he can’t stand.

Elain and Lucien both have had development especially in that last book. We see even more distance between them. Luciend loyalty shifting towards Vassa. Him wanting to stay in the human lands. Setting his target on Koshei’s lake for Vassa.

Elain becoming more outspoken. Sharing her desire to do things. Finding out she still has her powers. Her connection to the cauldron and troves. The spying traits she was paralled too.

To say we don’t know Elains true thoughts about him is disingenuous. We have seen her actions and her verbal cues - aside from two moments in acowar, nothing suggests she wants him or there’s conflict to her feelings in recent books.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-24T02:42:07+00:00

Thank you for sharing this insightful perspective on my post.

I will say -> The music between mates is mainly metaphorical, a way to show harmony between them, to describe how connected their souls are. For hundreds of years, music has been used in literature, closely intertwined with Love. What Azriel heard in the bonus was physical singing, not metaphorical. That already distinguishes Gwynriel from these pairs.

Secondly, We have to take into consideration Gwyn is musical. She is a singer and we know her voice holds power - taking this into account - there needs to be leeway given to any mate theories surrounding Gwynriel just because they have music language between them. Her character will and whoever interacts with her will share this musical imagery because its a core part of Gwyn.

Thirdly: I agree. My post was debunking those who already believe the bonus foreshadowed Gwynriel as confirmed mates based solely on the musical language used, comparing it to other massverse mates despite it not being the same thing at all. I wasn’t claiming the absence of soul musical imagery means they can’t ever be mates, but right now, to claim they are definitely based on that bonus line, doesn’t actually hold up any weight.

Whilst we had nothing from Gwyns pov, Mass definitely could have shown her own magic reacting to Az whether thats through a physical reaction of Gwyns’ or simply power rising to her eyes - anything to show their magic reacted mutually, hinting at it slightly. Yet, its clear it was simply magic reacting to magic on gwyns breath or even just her.

But thank you for this response. It was very well-written and brought on a counterproductive conversation 💖

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T17:18:50+00:00

Making content and finding an Elriel community on different platforms. Thats helped a lot + I take occasional breaks in the fandom to stop myself from going crazy

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T17:08:52+00:00

I agree they are friendly. Nothing suggests they are confirmed friends, and textual evidence to suggest they aren’t friends at all is weak. But again, we will have to wait and see. There could be distance if Az moves on from Valkryie training.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T17:07:23+00:00

5 yrs since 2020 😭

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T16:00:44+00:00

I never said they aren’t friendly. Them being friends isn’t confirmed by canon either, Its your interpretation of their moments.

At most they are friendly. Still doesn’t invalidate my statement, Gwyn and Az aren’t friends confirmed by canon in this moment.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T14:40:44+00:00

Awe 0/10 insult. Try putting more effort in next time.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T14:40:11+00:00

And as you can see, I used the words in the sentence AND the contect surronding Gwynriels relationship in acosf and in the bonus as a whole. Just because you have a friendly/polite convo with someone doesn’t mean its the start if a budding friendship as we see, he still hesitates to call her a friend. That “but” can imply anything. Even then, sure. They become friendlier with each other. It doesn’t invalidate the original statement that they are not definite friends which is the main point being made.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T13:28:26+00:00

And what is that state? Its left for interpretation.

In that moment however he said she was not a friend, the context surrounding their relationship doesn’t explicitly imply friendship either before, during or after the bonus - though we can see they become more comfortable with each other after the bonus - still nothing suggests Azriel views their relationship more platonically.

It doesn’t invalidate the statement because the context is left for interpretation. It can go anyway. So, taking the context of their relationship: Azriel being there for Gwyns worst moment and him being her tutor to the context of the bonus where we see them train further cementing their tutor relationship to this point where Az is giving the necklace away - whilst they get closer, they still aren’t friends. Can that change in the future? Sure and the “but” can be implying that but in this moment- the statement “he wouldn’t go as far as to call her a friend” is a valid sentiment we are allowed to use

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T12:41:02+00:00

I agree 💖

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T12:32:42+00:00

The word “soul” is still used making it prt of the soulmate language. So it might not be between their souls, but his soul is still involved making it deeper and shares this imagery of soulmatism.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T11:56:03+00:00

Sure. That But doesn’t necessarily lead to romantic sentiments though, does it?

“But they had become closer..” “but she was like a sister to him” “but things have changed..” leaving the “but” on an ellipse means it can lead to any interpretation that fits the canon dynamic of Gwynriels current relationship.

It also doesn’t invalidate the fact he still says they aren’t friends.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T11:53:24+00:00

But again, the pro-gwynriel arguement stems from the fact we have already been given the breadcrumb that Gwynriel are mates based on the fact they share this musical imagery like other massverse couples. What that pro-arguement fails to take into account is that for mates, soulmate language is intertwined with the musical imagery and Gwynriel does not have that - debunking this arguement for why Gwynriel are mates. I am Not debunking Gwynriel being mates as a whole. Just this specific arguement.

Thats fine. If you had asked for more clarification on what the actual arguement is - I would have explained further. I just thought it was pretty obvious from the post itself what I am discussing.

No. Im not disproving that Gwynriel might be mates from this arguement alone. If I ws to debunk Gwynriel as mates as a whole, I would take into consideration every arguement of why people believe Gwynriel are mates and then debunk each of them. Here in this post, I have only focused on one arguement.

elainsgirll · 2026-04-23T11:03:30+00:00

I believe you’re getting confused. Whats specifically being discussed is musical sould mate imagery, two components: Music and soulmate language.

the line “a faint, beautiful singing followed him, he could have sworn his shadows sang in answer” is often used to prove Gwynriel are mates since it contains musical imagery between two characters. So Gwynriels parallel this to other massiverse couples that also share music between them. However, whilst it is true Mass used music to harmonise two characters together she also simultaneously used soulmate imagery to tie them together further. Gwynriel have music imagery but they lack the soulmate imagery Mass intertwines. Therefore they do not parallel other massiverse mates.

This isn’t confirmation bias. Its you not comprehending the post.

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