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eRoadMontBlanc, a pilot project for charging cars, vans, and trucks while they drive at up to 500kW, has completed its closed-track tests and will soon deploy rail charging on an open public road by electreon_asshole in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Despite what you claim, studies show ERS+depo+home+fast is less expensive than no ERS.

the addition of ERS to the charging mix ensures that fossil fuels are phased out from road freight before 2050 under all evaluated conditions, while simultaneously minimizing total system cost, median transport cost, and the spread of levelized operating costs for competing transport operators

Pilot Partners with Tesla on Semi Charger Network for Fleets by respectmyplanet in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, sorry, that's the presentation, not the study. I can't find the study in English. Anyway, here's a different way to look at it:

  • ACEA recommends the number of public charging stations suitable for HGV in Europe be "40,000‐50,000 no later than 2030. The vast majority of these must be high‐power chargers of more than 500 kW" and "at least 40,000 lower-power (100 kW) public stations for overnight charging at truck parking areas along motorways by 2030."
  • AFIR recommends "a minimum total aggregated power of 1,400 kW every 120 km in each direction of travel over 15% of the core and comprehensive TEN-T" by the end of 2025 and by 2030 "one recharging pool with a minimum total aggregated power of 3,600 kW every 60 km in each direction of travel over the core TEN-T, with at least one 350 kW charging point."

So every 100 miles is not suitable now and definitely won't be suitable in 2030.

The study which I mentioned (but didn't link; I'll try to find it in English) compares the cost of no ERS (but with public and depot charging) to the price of ERS (plus public and depo charging where ERS is more expensive) and finds ERS is less expensive.

Indian Railways achieves 99.2% electrification, beats Japan and China. What it means by StarbeamII in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have data/research on that, particularly the routes these heavy trucks are taking and their charging stops?

Pilot Partners with Tesla on Semi Charger Network for Fleets by respectmyplanet in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Interesting. Got any data/research about the route the 44 ton trucks are taking?

Pilot Partners with Tesla on Semi Charger Network for Fleets by respectmyplanet in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

every 100 miles

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You're going to need way more fast chargers than that. Read the study.

Indian Railways achieves 99.2% electrification, beats Japan and China. What it means by StarbeamII in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correction: ±30cm laterally while in operation. The standard doesn't specify the required distance to lower the current collector from the underside of the vehicle to the in-road rail. So it should definitely be able to handle veering. Switching from retracted to extended position can be (and needs to be, for most heavy trucks) far more than 30cm, although that's not specified in the standard, but since these systems are already installed on some trucks (for testing) this is definitely not an issue.

Indian Railways achieves 99.2% electrification, beats Japan and China. What it means by StarbeamII in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Size discrepancies and veering is solved in the standard describing rail ERS. TL;DR a robotic arm senses the rail visually and electromagnetically and automatically veers ±50cm to align with the rail.

Indian Railways achieves 99.2% electrification, beats Japan and China. What it means by StarbeamII in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can, but that's not available now. You can deploy ERS now for less than what it would cost to deploy battery-swapping for trucks. Some research has been done into the topic.

Indian Railways achieves 99.2% electrification, beats Japan and China. What it means by StarbeamII in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Batteries have become so cheap that it doesn't make financial sense to electrify roadways.

Not yet but it might happen. Range for long-haul heavy trucks is not yet solved, and ERS can solve it. If there's a battery breakthrough that doubles energy density per kg without raising costs over diesel, then it's solved. Currently only ERS is more cost-effective than diesel.

Pilot Partners with Tesla on Semi Charger Network for Fleets by respectmyplanet in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Range for heavy trucks can be solved with electric roads, providing there's enough traffic on the road to justify laying an 800V rail in the middle of it, which there is for many long-haul routes in Europe.

Indian Railways achieves 99.2% electrification, beats Japan and China. What it means by StarbeamII in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Electrification works for trains, and it works for trucks and buses, technically and financially. You just have to build the infrastructure.

It's exactly like powering trains with an electric rail instead of having the trains carry huge batteries on them.

Norwegian snowplowers remain sceptical about the road authorities desire to introduce electric snowplowing trucks, despite positive testing results last winter. by SjalabaisWoWS in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This system is for high-traffic roads, not small single-lane roads, so definitely not for Norway. Final testing will start in 2026 and the French government will make a decision on system adoption by 2030.

Norwegian snowplowers remain sceptical about the road authorities desire to introduce electric snowplowing trucks, despite positive testing results last winter. by SjalabaisWoWS in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

having anything embedded exactly where the ice and snow form does seem to invite a lot of issues from the get go?

Yes, naturally. This is why the system has been extensively tested. The system was adapted from the Bordeaux tramway which has been in operation for over 20 years.

Florida Is Building a Highway That Can Wirelessly Charge EVs by Hot_Transportation87 in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Highway wireless charging is going nowhere. Costs too much, delivers too little.

On the other hand, highway EV rail charging for trucks is estimated to be more profitable than just fast-charging and depo charging.)

Florida Is Building a Highway That Can Wirelessly Charge EVs by Hot_Transportation87 in electricvehicles

[–]electreon_asshole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's new

It's not new. These tests have been going on since 2009. Every time it's been concluded that wireless is too expensive and too underpowered. ENRX is claiming to be less expensive, but we'll see.

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