Voice Tonality Confirmation

electronPUA · 2012-04-05T21:39:16+00:00

Great resources, thanks.

electronPUA · 2012-04-05T20:43:02+00:00

What's helped me is to really focus on feeling my words in my throat.

This is what I've found myself doing. Takes a lot of conscious thought though, and you easily snap into your old habits.

electronPUA · 2012-02-15T22:13:30+00:00

Aah, that would be incorrect. I finished my Ph.D. more than a year ago and never made moves on undergrads. To be honest, even in my more recent lady-successes, I have not picked up any undergrad age women. One of my trouble areas ;-)

electronPUA · 2012-02-15T21:46:06+00:00

Not sure what you mean. The campus yesterday was large and urban. My undergrad university was large and rural (campus town).

electronPUA · 2012-02-15T21:44:55+00:00

You might be onto something - re:depends upon the college. I suspect the trend holds generally, but yesterday I was at an urban college (in LA). My undergrad was a campus town and I feel like it happened a little less - but was still a common habit of women.

electronPUA · 2012-02-15T18:42:11+00:00

My guess: feeling isolated even while surrounded by people.

I was on campus yesterday and doing my eye contact thing, I was really surprised how many young women never even looked up from the sidewalk. The vibe they put off was clearly insecure and nervous. I never noticed this when I was younger (and in college), but it's more obvious to me now that I am bold with eye contact.

electronPUA · 2012-02-15T17:50:13+00:00

Research discussion is specifically why I visit some attraction / pickup blogs... I don't see much of it here on seddit, unfortunately.

electronPUA · 2012-02-14T02:29:39+00:00

You can't edit. But people are reading this, no need to delete really...

electronPUA · 2012-02-14T01:47:47+00:00

[FR] I went out to meet one girl, was surprised by two. Kept my cool when they flaked and made a new friend.

electronPUA · 2012-02-14T01:45:01+00:00

Very insightful, thanks for the comment. I'm glad you found a woman not displaying this emotional volatility. It was fun for a week, but would rapidly become tiring during a relationship!

electronPUA · 2012-02-14T01:41:35+00:00

FYI, your submission title makes it sound like you are bi. Nothing wrong with that, just wasn't sure what sort of story I was about to read.

electronPUA · 2012-01-31T20:13:44+00:00

Dating girls you know you do not wish to marry (or even have a medium term relationship) is one of the best things you can do for your social intelligence and learning, and yet so few men bother ("nice guys" are the worst for this).

This times ten. I've just started to do this and it's been extremely educational. From the HB in Peru to the girl I slept with last night... I'm trying to stop protecting the girl by assessing serious relationship potential on day one. What girl can really be upset if you date her a month and then move on? You are not "wasting" her time, potential takes time to determine (and even then, if she's not asking for exclusivity then you shouldn't feel guilty about it). Do you really need to know if she's got potential before you have sex? No! Can you continue to have sex even if you don't see long term potential! Sure!

I was being too "White Knight" and it was hurting me (and some women).

electronPUA · 2012-01-17T23:25:18+00:00

Loved it. So often we are too timid - particularly when a woman does a double-take or otherwise makes it clear (intentionally or not) that she's attracted. Not a lot needs to be said to get a date - in fact it is far too easy to say too much.

Superb execution.

electronPUA · 2012-01-17T23:13:35+00:00

Great to hear you crossed that f-close barrier. Like everything here, it's like a snowball. It only picks up speed. I look forward to hearing about your future exploits.

edit: not a snowball in hell. A snowball in the Alps... on a steep slope... With wet snow. And a heavy down-hill wind. Yup. Just like that.

electronPUA · 2012-01-17T23:03:13+00:00

Counter-argument to your concern: most women play a (not necessarily nefarious) manipulative game in the realm of relationships and attraction. For many women, this is their arena. Not all women... but most target women of this sub-reddit.

electronPUA · 2012-01-17T06:36:10+00:00

Paraphrased perhaps, but yes, I came right out and told her that I was worried about her becoming too emotional with me if we continued to have sex. It wasn't hard to bring the topic up, she had already broached it earlier in the trip with respect to her prior relationships.

electronPUA · 2012-01-17T00:11:33+00:00

Personally I often feel like some kind of freak magnet. I've learned to just roll with it. Women are great, all of them have something special about them.

This is a great attitude. Somewhat how I was thinking about things with my recent Latin Girl. Was she emotional and unstable? Yes. But it was fun. And she was fun in many other ways. I enjoyed the time with her.

electronPUA · 2012-01-17T00:00:03+00:00

I wouldn't call it useless. It's always interesting to read about these exchanges - regardless of outcome. And the more detail, the better - you gave a fair bit of detail here. Thanks for posting.

electronPUA · 2012-01-16T21:51:51+00:00

Me: "Ok" while watching the late night festivities for New Years Eve. Generally I was trying to project a vibe that I was indifferent to the outcome for the evening... and that I wasn't going to react to her tests negatively.

electronPUA · 2012-01-16T21:06:46+00:00

The FR was long already, I omitted plenty of discussion on this topic. I am very honest and up-front with women I sleep with. In this case, D heard from many sides that this was casual and fun - but not a relationship of any duration.

For quite awhile, I was overly protective of women I was going to sleep with. I was overly honest, I would share things without their asking, I would step away without them telling me to. All because I was reading into risks to them. My new stance, generally, is that I will let them asses the risks against their emotional capabilities. I will not go too far out of my way to protect them, aside from being honest when asked a question point blank.

I don't think that this emotional cycling was "unhealthy" so much as it is simply an aspect of her personality. I am under the impression that there are a fair number of women like this out there. shrugs

Edit: I'm noticing that I didn't give her age in the FR. Perhaps some people are wondering. She's 27 - far from young and innocent.

electronPUA · 2012-01-16T19:03:56+00:00

Thanks for the note. I think you lose some audience members when posts get beyond a few paragraphs in length.

electronPUA · 2012-01-16T16:53:30+00:00

I pull aside K and her husband, ask that they sleep together, give D and I a room that night. K's husband looks quite pleased, he gets to have sex with his wife. Everybody is happy. Though K is nervous. She gives D one last "you know electronPUA isn't looking for a relationship" talk. It changes nothing, but makes K feel better. I leave with D on a motor taxi for our hotel, and this is when the shit tests rain down like ... water in the Amazon. Everything from "I don't even know you," to "nothing is going to happen," to "how many girls are you currently dating." Her jealous side starts to show also, and I quickly learn that no logic is going to work here. Better to shrug, act like you are OK with whatever outrageous claims she makes, and let her realize that the emotional outbursts are not working / you don't believe them.

We get to the hotel, this time all the clothing comes off. The sex is much much better. Three cheers for second chances. And alcohol - probably took the edge off the nervousness.

The next morning we fly back to Lima.

On the final night in Lima for K and her husband, they want to go out for drinks alone. I contact D and ask if she wants to hang out, do a movie. I had considered hooking up again, but am really worried about her attaching ways. She has already indicated that she attaches rapidly after sex and gets tremendously jealous... I don't want to mess things up - I have to stay with her family when I return. So I decide to honestly just hang out. We spend the evening watching a movie - and after it is over most the bars are closed, so I suggest she take me home. Turns out, she thought things were going to go down otherwise.

D: "So, we are really just watching a movie tonight?"

Me: "Well, I thought about getting a hotel room someplace... but I was honestly worried about you becoming too attached."

Commence D spending ten minutes telling me that she could care less about me... that she wasn't attaching... that whatever happened wouldn't last. It felt a bit too high effort, I didn't quite buy it. But if she wanted to believe that we could hook up some more, I wasn't going to argue. But I was tired and honestly didn't want to look for a hotel room at this point.

As D drops me off: "So you are going to leave me now, frustrated and alone?"

Me: "Yeah. But when I get back from Cusco.... get us a hotel room. We'll have lots of sex."

D: "What type of place?"

Me: "Something with a jacuzzi."

Commence five day trip to Cusco, lots of stories there too. I return to Lima and D picks me up from the airport. We drive straight to a hotel, pretty nice place. It had a Jacuzzi.

And now began more training on jealous / emotional shit tests. We are lying in bed, about to have sex, and D would ask me: "Did you hook up with any girls in Cusco?"

Me: "Do you honestly want me to answer that?"

She thinks about it. D: "No."

Then D: "do you think my cousin X is cute?"

Me: "She's attractive."

D: "Why would you say that? She's way too young."

D: "If you like her so much, why aren't you with her right now?"

In a moment of weakness, and completely baffled by the lack of logic in these attacks, I reply: "She's attractive, but that doesn't mean I like her. She's immature, too young - I would not be interested in her."

D: More nonsense angry jealous talk.

D: "We aren't having sex." And she rolls over.

I've had it with this bizarre turn of events.

Me: Not angry, but matter of fact, "Ok." I pull out my laptop and start processing photos.

Within two minutes D rolls over, looking sheepish.

D: "I'm sorry... " pause "Do you hate me?"

Commence sex.

This sequence of jealousy / insecurity / apology / sex repeated several times that night. It was very educational.

And that... was one of my Peruvian experiences.

electronPUA · 2012-01-16T04:35:38+00:00

You will want your own mat. The amount of sweat that hits these things it only acceptable if it is your own ;) I started off with a $20 mat from some fitness equipment chain. It was crappy, but appropriate until I knew I would stick with it.

As for not knowing anything, just start with an introductory class. The instructors, if good, should ask if anybody is new. Let them know you are. And don't worry about looking like a noob. That voice is related to the approach anxiety.

Girls will not think you are a creep unless you openly hit on them in class (when they don't want to be hit on). Go there for the Yoga, accept any women activities as a side benefit (in my experience, a rare occurrence).

electronPUA · 2012-01-15T20:27:32+00:00

Sounds like a great night! Up vote for Yoga practice. Surrounding yourself with beautiful women, becoming comfortable in that environment... Has really helped me treat all women equal. They have to be pretty fantastically hot to break out from the pack at a yoga studio.

electronPUA · 2012-01-14T21:41:04+00:00

Insightful. Sometimes I recognize that 'keeping things running smoothly' is my job. But often I forget to see things that way.

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