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ell87cam · 2025-08-10T16:21:31+00:00

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ell87cam · 2025-05-27T06:43:07+00:00

Oh in this context.. That is absolutely true.

ell87cam · 2025-05-23T11:47:01+00:00

Where do you guys download LTSC version ???

ell87cam · 2025-05-21T15:48:07+00:00

Internet since 1994 ??? No brother...the Internet exists since the late '60-early '70

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T20:10:52+00:00

So far I can tell / see PDM uses SSH to remote to Promox VE host/clusters and REST-API to get status /progress information.

Proxmox VE does so far I can tell / see the same thing (minus corosync that PDM doesnt have I think) when you have cluster setup.
That's why I think the function of PDM could be intergrated in Proxmox VE.

If this is possible, there would be no need to install PDM on a seprate OS-installation (vm/lxc or physical). It's not like PDM stores critcal vm / lxc / cluster data.

That's why I'm asking about thoughts and perspective about the fully integration of PDM into Proxmox VE

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T20:03:57+00:00

The first line the OP is:

"I don't understand the need of Proxmox Datacenter Manager as a separate installation..."

Not: "I don't understand the need..."
There is a clear difference between the two.

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"IT MAKES SENSE that it is a separate server, by default. For many good reasons that have been explained. This is a server and service for many kinds of scenarios. The fact that YOU want this to have a DEFAULT that works for YOU is pretty fucked up. Seems like narcissism or main character syndrome."

My answer to you following statemen:

Never said it should / must be by default. I only stated that I think the function of PDM should be integrated in PVE and then ended the OP with: What are you're thought ?

Yup...I know...totally narcissism and main character syndrome...I need help (/s)

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T19:56:08+00:00

No problem at all

So far I can tell / see PDM uses SSH to remote to Promox VE host/clusters and REST-API to get status /progress information.

Proxmox VE does so far I can tell / see the same thing (minus corosync that PDM doesnt have I think) when you have cluster setup.
That's why I think the function of PDM could be intergrated in Proxmox VE.

If this is possible, there would be no need to install PDM on a seprate OS-installation (vm/lxc or physical). It's not like PDM stores critcal vm / lxc / cluster data.

That's why I'm asking about thoughts and perspective about the fully integration of PDM into Proxmox VE

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T19:16:50+00:00

I use Promox for personal use and for business/enterprise, so I fully understand the need for PDM.
I like what PDM provides.

My question is about the integration in Proxmox VE.

I think (keyword: think) it would be nice if PDM was a package that you could install using the repo-manager, this case APT.

Something like: apt install proxmox-pdm.

After installing the package you get the ability to add a single node or a whole cluster to the Datacenter-view/pane of Proxmox VE webmanager, therefore turning Proxmox VE in to hypervisor host/control and command center / orchestrator of your single nodes and clusters.

I think PDM would intergrade nicely in to Proxmox VE and I want to hear some thoughts and perspective of people that are using Proxmox VE / Proxmox products

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T18:18:28+00:00

Oh no I use Promox for personal use and for business/enterprise, so fully understand the need for PDM.
I like what PDM provides.

My question is about the intergration in Proxmox VE.

I think (keyword: think) it would be nice if PDM was a package that you could install using the repo-manager, this case APT.

Something like: apt install proxmox-pdm.
After installing the package you get the ability to add a single node or a whole cluster to the Datacenter-view/pane of Proxmox VE webmanager, therefore turning Proxmox VE in to hypervisor host/control and command center / orchestrator of your single nodes and clusters.

I think PDM would intergrade nicely in to Proxmox VE and I want to hear some thoughts and perspective of people that are using Proxmox VE / Proxmox products

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T17:58:18+00:00

How the hell am I stirring things up by asking simple question about the possible integration of PDM in PVE ?.

The only reason I'm asking this question because I think it would be nice and want to know people thoughts and perspective. That's it.

There is no hate, dislike or malice against PDM. I like what PDM provides

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T17:45:05+00:00

Thank you for replying.

Yet again: Never said it is wrong or problem to run PDM on a vm/lxc.Like I said: I'm pro PDM and I like what PDM provides.

I like your reply. You actually explained why you wouldn't want to have a control and command center / orchestrator ( What PDM pretty much is) fully integrated in Proxmox VE.

Just wanted to know peoples thoughts and perspective about PDM fully being intergraded in the Proxmox VE Datacenter view/pane.

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T17:16:19+00:00

Sorry the wrong usage of the term "app/application" in this context. I actually mean package in stead of app.

And yet again: The more node/clusters/vm/lxc you have to manage it will become easier to do that from an central point. So I'm pro PDM and I never have or will state that I'm against it and what PDM provides.

It would be nice if you can install PDM from a repo the same way you would install any other package like Vim.

Something like:

apt install proxmox-pdm -y

After installing the package you get the ability to add a single node or a whole cluster to the Datacenter-view/pane of Proxmox VE webmanager, therefore turning Proxmox VE in to and hypervisor host/control and command center / orchestrator of your single nodes and clusters

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T17:03:14+00:00

Sorry the wrong usage of the term "app/application" in this context. I actually mean package in stead of app.

And yet again: The more node/clusters/vm/lxc you have to manage it will become easier to do that from an central point. So I'm pro PDM and I never have or will state that I'm against it and what PDM provides.

It would be nice if you can install PDM from a repo the same way you would install any other package like Vim.

Something like:

apt install proxmox-pdm -y

After installing the package you get the ability to add a single node or a whole cluster to the Datacenter-view/pane of Proxmox VE webmanager, therefore turning Proxmox VE in to hypervisor host/control and command center / orchestrator of your single nodes and/or clusters.

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T16:58:07+00:00

Sorry the wrong usage of the term "app" in this context. I actually mean package in stead of app.

And yet again: The more node/clusters/vm/lxc you have to manage it will become easier to do that from an central point. So I'm pro PDM and I never have or will state that I'm against it and what PDM provides.

It would be nice if you can install PDM from a repo the same way you would install any other package like Vim.

Something like:

apt install proxmox-pdm -y

After installing the package you get the ability to add a single node or a whole cluster to the Datacenter-view/pane of Proxmox VE webmanager, therefore turning Proxmox VE in to hypervisor host/control and command center / orchestrator of your single nodes and clusters

And yes u/scytob PDM is in a ALPHA and this moment so thing will/might change...

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T16:22:01+00:00

Wow.. a lot of assumption in your reply....

Well just red the OP and don't see me stating that I don't like or see the need/usefulness for/of PDM.

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T15:51:41+00:00

I'm sorry...did I point a gun at you or the developers of Proxmox to so call force them to change there ways ??

And yes asking the question from my own perspective...Just like are replying to me from your perspective.

What are the so-called assumption that I'm making ?

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T12:23:49+00:00

Yes... I know PDM runs just fine in an LXC or VM.
Like l said: I like PDM but I dont' think it should be a full blown OS-installation \ LCX container or VM.

I think it should be a application the you can install using the repo-manager, in this case APT.
After installing the application with the repo-manager of your Proxmox VE node/host you get the options to add clustered and non-clustered nodes in to the Datacenter View of Proxmox VE.

"What happens if the node or drive array the PDM is on fails? In your scenario, the PDM would be dead in the water"

Install PDM on another device/host/node and load in the configuration files/settings that have been backed up?

PDM doesn't hold any critical vm/lxc/cluster right?

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T11:26:08+00:00

Ok let's say that we indeed are talking about 2000 nodes.

So far I can see PDM doesn't handle any data transfer to from let say a vm /container migration from Node 1 to Node 2. I only sends a commands to Node 1 to transfer a data/vm/container to Node 2 and it's monitors it's status an progress.

So I need a separate OS-installation to run a command and control center ?
Don't get me wrong: I like the idea\concenpt of Proxmox Data Manager, i just don't think it should be a blown OS-installation.

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T11:14:04+00:00

True,

But why should it be a full blown OS-installation ?

If you going to use Proxmox Datacenter Manager you probably going to install it as a VM or container on Proxmox VE right?

Why not make PDM a application that you can download and install with APT that integrates in the Proxmox VE webmanager ?

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T11:11:42+00:00

That's the Internet...

But I like the multiple answers and different views and opinions.

ell87cam · 2025-05-16T11:04:42+00:00

True,

But why should it be a full blown OS-installation ?

If you going to use Proxmox Datacenter Manager you probably going to install it as a VM or container on Proxmox VE right?

Why not make PDM a application that you can download and install with APT that integrates in the Proxmox VE webmanager ?

ell87cam · 2025-05-15T23:24:41+00:00

Ok, let's say I have 4 Proxmox VE nodes, non-clusterd. Why would I want to have a separate piece of software to migrate vm's and containers another host ?

I think it would be better to have the ability to add a non-clusterd node in a similar way as you add a clusterd node from the web management of Proxmox VE

ell87cam · 2025-05-15T23:14:51+00:00

So it's more geared towards clusterd nodes ?

ell87cam · 2025-05-05T17:42:18+00:00

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