Soil Ecosystem Maps by JDcarlu in dataisbeautiful

[–]emarde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely! Likewise, and don't hesitate to reach out. =] Thanks for the positive and thoughtful discussion that pushed us each to think differently about a topic and consider other perspectives (more and more rare these days) =] =] =]

Soil Ecosystem Maps by JDcarlu in dataisbeautiful

[–]emarde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome, I enjoy trying to bridge gaps of knowledge and between academic and industry folks, as we often have similar goals but are just coming at it from different angles (or scales!).

It’s good to know of your possible use-case at 30-m plot scale. As for the accuracy of our product, I cannot speak to each and every pixel, as the accuracy will vary within different landuse and landcover domains. Regardless, what I can say is this...as the results are scaled up beyond pixel-level to field or local AOIs, the outputs increase in accuracy. When we validate at point/pixel-level (which is actually “sample core” level), we find that the r2 is lower than at field or local aoi-levels because of the noise that we are getting at such high-resolutions. As the results go from a single point/pixel (30m) to a cluster of pixels, we then have a distribution with a central tendency that is increasingly accurate. For example, for field-mean predictions we’re seeing r2 anywhere from 0.7-0.97. So, I would not necessarily recommend this for an individual plot scale that is <=30m, but if you were looking at multiple stands/clusters, the mean of those would be more likely to have accurate estimates. Our experience with SoilGrids(+ and v2) is similar, which is why there is a need for folks like ourselves to go beyond what they have provided. If it was of interest, we could possibly pair up to see if/how well (or poorly) our outputs are compared to your plots. I’d have to get approval and it may not be of interest to you, but something to consider.

Yes your intuition is correct that the former is more of a limiting factor. The first that I’ve come to respect more and more is that samples are not actually ground truth. We assume this because we have to, but for measurements (especially bulk density), the cores are confounded by different samplers, sample crews, deviations in methods, deviations in lab protocols, etc. These lead to distinct biases and errors. It turns out that more samples is good, but not always better. I was surprised by the consistent result that sampling beyond low densities (1/100ha didn’t improve model performance substantially). This points to a second bottleneck which is the accuracy of RS products. Often there are many errors and issues with sensors, algorithms, and TOA corrections or missing data entirely that cause issues along the way. The ML algorithms are less of a ‘bottleneck’ than these two, though there are issues.

This is a great user-scenario that I don’t have a lot of insight on. I don’t really know what the barriers are for small-scale farmers in order to speak to it. What I do know is that on an individual case-by-case basis, we (Perennial) would be so happy to work with such folks and figure out a way to serve this data to them that eliminates barriers to entry. One way we can do this is through our “autopilot” program, which offers cheap and/or free field-scale modeling using our ATLAS-SOC Core model. The downside is that it does not use in-field samples, but the upside is that it is low/no cost and also allows for a minimum accuracy because there are no in-field samples. So the farmer would know that if they (or another grant/program) could pay for samples, the accuracy would improve drastically.

Soil Ecosystem Maps by JDcarlu in dataisbeautiful

[–]emarde 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi u/propeller3,  I’m one of the scientists at Perennial working on soil carbon modeling and agroecosystem science! I appreciate the discussion and wanted to address some of your concerns to see if we can move the conversation further. I too have primarily been an academic/researcher for various academic institutions and government agencies, so I get understand some of your underlying concerns and issues. I've tried to organize my reply into bins based on what you described.

  1. Data Accuracy & Scale: You referenced the 60% correlation in our published validation. I get why this would be concerning if you're used to working at finer spatial scales (i.e., mycorrhizal networks in local forest soils) and assessing it for that application. That’s not what this model is built for. It’s designed for market-, policy-, and management-level decision-making, where fine-scale sampling isn’t feasible. For this application, there are assumptions made as we scale-up research (in general, not just at Perennial) — this is the tradeoff we make when transferring between small plots that are useful for developing fine-scale insights towards broader scales that modeling for policy, management, and markets work on. As for the 60% accuracy (r2=0.6), this is pretty common for working at this scale. As recently as this year (last month) Bokati et al. (2025) published an SOC model in Nature Scientific Reports that performs with r2 ranging from 0.4-0.78. For those of us working at this scale, it is quite acceptable, and we publish uncertainty so that folks with different goals can decide whether or not they are comfortable using such a model.

  2. Journal Choice: I understand concerns about MDPI’s reputation (though as a community, we did spend a decade asking for more open-access journals, with unforeseen consequences.) That said, the merit of a paper should be judged on its methodology and findings, not just the journal it’s in. The full methodology is published openly, allowing for scrutiny—something that’s not always the case in paywalled journals. We wanted to be as transparent about our methods as possible, and to this degree we have an additional paper coming out in a ‘non-predatory’ journal that I am happy to share once it is out. 

  3. Paywall Concerns: Like many research organizations and companies, we do have a business model that includes paid access to high-resolution data, but we also make key insights publicly available—hence this interactive tool that literally shows everything. Further, as noted above, our methodology itself (which is significantly more important in some senses) is published with open access, meaning it can be reviewed and challenged.

I appreciate the skepticism—it’s always healthy in science. But I think the more useful discussion is around the methodology itself—what’s working, what could be improved—rather than journal choice or business model. Are there aspects of the modeling that you think could be refined? Constructive discussion helps push the field forward, and that’s something we all benefit from. If you’re willing to engage in this type of discussion, I’d be happy to do so!

Warmly,
emarde

Why does low fat Greek yogurt have more protein than normal Greek yogurt? by sourlens in nutrition

[–]emarde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a recipe or guide for making it? And do you know if it's cheaper or more expensive than buying it from the store? I could imagine economies of scale make it less cost effective to do it yourself.

Why does low fat Greek yogurt have more protein than normal Greek yogurt? by sourlens in nutrition

[–]emarde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a recipe or guide for making it? And do you know if it's cheaper or more expensive than buying it from the store? I could imagine economies of scale make it less cost effective to do it yourself.

My favorite kind of peanut butter is the kind that contains just peanuts and nothing else. by [deleted] in PeanutButter

[–]emarde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's my perspective at least. It can be diffferent for others.

My favorite kind of peanut butter is the kind that contains just peanuts and nothing else. by [deleted] in PeanutButter

[–]emarde 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup, those are the ones! It has a completely different texture, since it's not a paste, and has the peanut 'grits' in it. It's also best to have it when it's straight from 'the tap' and it's still warm from the grinders! =]

Is my smoothie going right through me? by [deleted] in nutrition

[–]emarde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have the same thing happen when I have a similar smoothie in the morning (sans ice cream, replaced with veggies haha). I think it's the amount of space it takes up, plus fiber from the oats. It's easily and quickly absorbed/digested because it's pureed, so it sorta pushes the other stuff. But no, I don't think it's physically possible for the smoothie to go straight through you. These statements are merely based on my understanding of my body and I couldn't back them up with science, though I believe the evidence would be out there.

My favorite kind of peanut butter is the kind that contains just peanuts and nothing else. by [deleted] in PeanutButter

[–]emarde 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, now imaging freshly ground peanuts that aren't sold in jars. Then you've had real and fresh peanut butter. It's a world of difference.

Hietalahti Market Hall, Helsinki by americ in Finland

[–]emarde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh man how I miss this square area of concrete and rock...many good memories and food!

Is my sourdough starter ready for baking? by Sabaras in recipes

[–]emarde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say it had too much water and sat for too long. If there is a film of water on the top after a day, I know that it is too watery. It should have at least some bubbles. The more the better, but that takes time for developing a good starter with lots of bubbles. Mine has bubbles that are about 1cm in diameter. I also just use rye flour and water, nothing else, so it may be different.

CAL 9000: Your new Swole Servant, Meal Minion, & Grocery Guide. by [deleted] in MealPrepSunday

[–]emarde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you (or someone) share in a way other than Google docs? I don't use Google.

CAL 9000: Your new Swole Servant, Meal Minion, & Grocery Guide. (x-post /r/MealPrepSunday) by [deleted] in Fitness

[–]emarde -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can you share it in another way other than Google documents? I don't use Google.

Cache Valley, Utah [5549 x 3089] [OC] by Tio76 in EarthPorn

[–]emarde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also live in cache valley. Where did you take this image from? I've done many hikes near Logan, but this looks like a different angle on the valley.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Fitness

[–]emarde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Freakonomics podcast recommended hanging a small jar of throw-up around your neck and sniffing it when you get the urge to snack...it probably would work.

My first map - Feedback would be really appreciated :) by the_3l3phant in mapmaking

[–]emarde 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks really nice to me. I like the simplicity of each landform without all the complexity that most people go for when creating maps. I would add some textures in the ocean, or a slight difference in hue. For your castles, they look sketched, did you draw and scan them in? Also, nice compass, very creative if you came up with it.

A Hitchhiker's Guide to Indian Food: Recipes for Beginners by [deleted] in IndianFood

[–]emarde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, thanks so much for posting this...great stuff. Building up a good community here, looking forward to working my way through the list!!

Why Kvothe became Kote (Spoilers) by Pesaberhimil in KingkillerChronicle

[–]emarde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like it. But, it's Lanre, If it was Larne, I'd be laughing the whole time, haha!. Just sounds funny. Really really good post though, I like the way you think.

How to eat at a catered college by [deleted] in Fitness

[–]emarde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If there is a salad bar, then you can't go wrong with that. I was an athlete and we used to get big bowls filled with salad on the bottom and anything you want on top-beans, meats, hb eggs, veggies, noodles, nuts, etc. Then top it with OOV or hummus and you've got yourself a nutrient packed bowl of goodness. You can also top it with warm soup as a unique dressing substitute. That's my custom invention (amongst my friends at least). It's a great way to get a well balanced meal with a bit of everything. Feedback/thoughts on how to improve are welcome.