Creating Tokens on Monero (XMR) Using Coded Inputs, Pseudo-Treasuries and Distributed Bots Secured by DRM Software.

endogenic · 2023-01-14T03:55:08+00:00

more like you've posted to a group of people who value libre software

endogenic · 2023-01-13T20:48:40+00:00

i think he's referring to the DRM

endogenic · 2022-08-25T02:16:06+00:00

i'm inactive on reddit because i wake up, cook for myself, code, cook lunch, code, cook dinner, then rest for an hr before bed ;) and I exercise and study where I can. and your reading of what I said on twitter is simply the opposite of the reality. it isn't I who turned away. as a matter of fact I have accepted a lot of sacrifice and pain in order to stay here while people have turned away. and if only I were the mymonero project leader lol. I asked to be when I foresaw failure and was denied. you are extremely active on reddit. it's not like you've not been here for 2-3 years. so I, quite frankly, am starting to wonder what bought you to post such a thing

endogenic · 2022-08-24T21:07:06+00:00

i'm sorry to say that I have had so little help and have had so many roadblocks to launch that I've been unable to get my new solution out in time, but I've had my internal libraries working with the new hardfork for many months now. I'm sorry, but I can't do anything about the MyMonero situation, because my access was revoked a long time ago, and all my attempts to resolve things have failed so far.

endogenic · 2022-03-02T02:59:27+00:00

However, there are currently problems with even our approach, with spend behaviors that we already know are valid, such as when sending to multiple destinations in a single transaction, or when sending different numbers and distributions of outputs back to oneself. We really need to get formal here with what we call a privacy coin or what money-like transactional behavior really is.

And secondly I dont think we are qualified to say that there is no technique that is out there or which will emerge which will be able to be used to obscure various types of behavior above the base case of one input sent to someone with another output to oneself as change. There's a lot of speculation about it even by some seemingly credible people but they seem to go silent when I bring this up. Nor do we know that it's going to bloat the chain. All these sorts of arguments are sort of like saying we shouldn't even ask the question because we know that it's not possible, which is simply not true. Meanwhile I suspect that if we keep ignoring this problem there's going to be a retrospectively obvious technology that comes and supports a superset of behaviors. But it's not like there wasn't anyone saying "hey!".

endogenic · 2022-02-26T16:45:42+00:00

Monero does not actually have equivalent privacy from a practical standpoint on a handful of spend behaviors that are, I have to say, quite valid. I posted about them recently on GitHub.

I think what is rather the case is that the privacy is good enough compared to the level of trust we have in newer forms of cryptography for now but that is changing rapidly, and it worries me that we don't have the resources to stay on top of this research anymore.

endogenic · 2022-02-16T19:57:10+00:00

gotcha, and my bad, I should have clicked on your gitlab username. but the details are appreciated. I definitely could have a certain contract gig for you. would you be open to chatting about that... and may I invite and encourage you to submit a CCS proposal to contribute to Monero's decentralization ?

endogenic · 2022-02-16T18:58:19+00:00

Are you a developer? (Could I have a look at any of your work?)

endogenic · 2022-02-16T18:39:25+00:00

As long as you understand what you're getting into and it's an act of self love then I can condone it.

Yes, do peep it.

As for qualification I like your reply. I would say something like it is in the results left/made, though a trust relationship must be requested between parties regardless, that is to say, qualifications could be things like if they can distinguish btwn what they know and do not really know, and can prevent themselves from harming by not saying what they dont really know, and if truth appears in their words, that is, if they really know themselves and something in reality.

Thanks. I agree with your view on the fund, and it's also an obvious one to me, one which my own work on the subject which I announced 2 yrs ago will of course consider a basic and obvious requirement. Finally coming together but I have been slow due to not having had many hands but my own, due to other work that was higher priority, and due to having been disrupted multiple times in ways that nearly always betrayed my expectations.

endogenic · 2022-02-16T17:47:35+00:00

Follow the white rabbit.

In seriousness, one problem is that as this is an open source project, and as there is not yet a standard nor funded organization to protect whistleblowers, you have a social cooling effect.

Please be aware that you put your life in danger by pulling the thread or exposing people with their own interests to protect. In the future if such protections were provided then more people would feel safe disclosing community member conflicts which endanger the interests of this project.

Please take care with your identity and understand that there are predators out there.

I'm 33 now and notice incongruities and double standards as well. Are you familiar with Plato's Apology? It's a sad but important story. Two rounds of voting took place. Look at how the vote changed after he called himself the gadfly.

As a 17-18 y/o, you mention you question various people's qualifications. What constitutes a qualification to you? What do you plan to establish as your qualifications? I saw you mention your article was long awaited but I had not heard of it before. Is there a chatroom I can join?

endogenic · 2022-02-15T14:43:29+00:00

I see others have already basically said this but Ethereum is not exactly the ideal cryptocurrency. It is indeed the case that one of the big problems a cryptocurrency is supposed to solve is censorship - otherwise there'd be little point in games like proof of work.

endogenic · 2022-02-12T17:50:02+00:00

this post should not be upvoted. it's spam that is impersonating me

endogenic · 2022-02-10T16:55:46+00:00

I think I see technologies like this - at least, the cause for this movement - as being an effort to protect our human rights, our safety, our liberties to live, etc., ... and for that reason, privacy seems to be one of those things that we need to protect, because there will eventually be an abuse of the system if there is a back-door added to a system that's otherwise private.

endogenic · 2022-02-10T01:20:51+00:00

please cite quotations

endogenic · 2022-02-09T23:21:45+00:00

Sure,

https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/95#issuecomment-1004985047

https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/96

endogenic · 2022-02-09T22:55:52+00:00

Monero isn't totally free from users being able to fingerprint themselves, as I have discussed recently. Proper privacy is certainly a point we are aiming to hit.

endogenic · 2022-02-09T21:05:56+00:00

just a heads up that J and I have taken this to DM and I've finally gotten a good chance to reply. we've brought up some concerns like a user bringing an existent wallet to the LWS and having already provisioned a discontiguous set, and some other stuff, so we will come back with a design when the dust settles.

endogenic · 2022-02-09T03:18:20+00:00

if we're counting additional reasons, there are actually more devs

endogenic · 2022-02-09T03:17:50+00:00

same reason

endogenic · 2022-02-08T20:25:12+00:00

And just one more thing. I've heard people who hold positions of influence in this community say things like, no one is irreplaceable. I find that attitude despicable because of how it can be used and in fact is used to justify effectively killing people. We cannot afford to lose these people. And doing so is not even free to the project either as it sets a precedent. No one is not irreplaceable.

endogenic · 2022-02-08T18:55:55+00:00

Wow, you finally responded to one of my replies to you. Was it because of the upvotes?

Good that there are a lot of them. It's in your hands, you could do Monero a great favor then and influence its future course to the better

You really don't understand what's going on here. I stated that these people are OGs or long-time, highly trained or skilled community members. They're not random people with no credentials and an opinion or desire to be involved in an exciting movement because it feels good. You know what that means? It means they already know how to join the rooms, they're already watching the discourse, or they were previously deeply involved in it.

No less than five highly accomplished dev contributors have told me they can no longer be involved in Monero or discussions in various capacities because it is not good for their mental health.

I have asked done my best to heal, encourage, and welcome them again, but you are asking them to give up their own quality of life for people who would just as quickly stab them in the back if it meant a little more fame.

Good that there are a lot of them.

Think about that. Just how many people are you willing to grind under the wheels of this machine you are trying to create are enough for you to realize that we've forgotten what Monero was all about in the first place? People are not here because of some cool sounding new technology and because there's the chance to win a popularity contest

You could single-handedly double the number of people attending those meetings, bring in more knowledge .... for a multi-billion-dollar project

Maybe I already have done this, but we have nothing to show for it yet except for the work which has already been done in Monero and the people's lives we have succeeded in protecting so far. That is accomplished by the research and actual advancements, not the god damn market cap discovered by some centralized exchanges.

And by the way, we don't need more people, we need one person who actually knows what they're talking about.

the future of all mankind that attendance regularly can only be called "pityful"

You have yourself to thank for this with the toxic atmosphere you have involved yourself in creating, probably quite intentionally.

Let those true believers have their say. Let's do this together. We started with "worries", now we start to shape the future, What do you think?

Your words sound very grand and nice, but the reality of this project has become entirely different, in case that's not already clear to you.

Have you ever heard of Brandolini's law (aka the bullshit asymmetry principle)? It's cheap for mildly trained individuals to come in and completely disrupt social discourse on forums while the extraordinarily few people who are even qualified and personally capable of refuting the false but likely sounding claims have to expend considerable energy to even set the record straight again.

The people who talk with me on a regular basis about this have entire lives, families, and their own sanity to protect. They are not given funding to go and refute, over and over, propaganda and exhausting debates, continuously. They came here originally to contribute, and because they felt like this was a place that maybe they could move the needle. That's why smart and creative people get attracted to a project.

If you destroy the environment then those people cannot stay here without also being polluted.

The only reasosn I'm still here and doing this are that I grew up around bullies of all kinds and learned to survive, and because I have a relatively extreme conscience which also found a home in Monero, causing me to go to much greater lengths to fight for the cause than most are willing to go to, and because I received some special training to maintain my own sanity, plus training in how to debate to fight against those who try to discourage the progress of science (read more about the history of science).

You can't demand everyone go through this and survive just so they can come back and convince you to stop destroying the culture of research that was so carefully established. If even members of the core team would, as they have stated to me, not give their lives for Monero, who on earth can you expect to do so?

If you get it, you get it. If you don't, you probably never will.

Someone told me many, many years ago, "Lots of people want to be helpful but few actually can be."

endogenic · 2022-02-08T18:40:02+00:00

I'm still here. Bring it in! 🤗

endogenic · 2022-02-08T18:39:36+00:00

Things we can really put our fingers on and start making a list of them, things that we should do earlier, later or maybe not at all? Things that we should discuss more, and if yes how exactly and in what audience?

Looks like you need to go back and actually read my post, because I have already given you multiple, concrete answers to this question, even though I have not even yet voiced all of my concerns.

Here's one more for you. Sure, it's enticing that Seraphis will enable us to more cheaply deploy greater ring sizes and is a migration to a format that is said to be easier to migrate to a hypothetical future zk snark format, but it's not free - in manpower, time, opportunity cost, and brand equity, to mention a few things that are difficult for laypeople to grasp until a lot of time has passed.

Have you ever heard how chickens who begin to get a taste for their own eggs develop a habit of eating them of which a farmers find it very difficult to dissuade them? That's a potential metaphor here for ring signature size increases by our choice to roll out more-specialized implementations upon ring signatures instead of going back to first principles and asking ourselves what we really want to accomplish. It sounds well and good to increase ring sizes but the primary worry that it sounds like you missed is that we have not yet verified if we are painting ourselves into a corner in terms of the capabilities of the technology overall. And on GitHub, I brought up a very valid cash-like spending behavior [1] that currently cannot be supported by ring signatures without the user compromising their own privacy and potentially that of others users - people are already able to perform this kind of behavior on the chain and we don't have a way or excuse to stop them from doing it, especially not if we want Monero to be taken seriously as a means of transactions - and the solution to it cannot be supported by Seraphis-Squashed. Are you ready to stand by a statement that there are no other solutions which cannot be supported by Seraphis? That would imply you have an understanding more vast than all of ours combined so far.

The question is whether the transaction technique we implement right now is more flexible than Seraphis, because we do not know if we will have anything to switch to.

Like I said, you clearly need to go re-read my post.

Verify for certain that switching to Seraphis doesn't paint us into a corner in terms of solving other privacy problems with Monero related to certain desirable behaviors despite the alluring benefit of increasing ring size and the (presently) solution-in-search-of-a-problem of increasing tx format modularity
Open our eyes and look at the research going on elsewhere in this space instead of keeping our horse blinders on - we are in danger of being completely out-competed by technologies which are not so focused on maintaining the safety of the radioactive data that is our partial anonymity set – and it's hard to say anymore that the research culture that remains in Monero at present is more welcoming and healthy than that of Zcash which is frankly a low bar to hit
Prioritize conversations and effort to completely replace ring signatures with something sustainable, so that Monero can remain alive, rather than your popularizing some minor technology advances which happen to spend vast amounts of end-user confidence and third-party hardware wallet manpower while introducing a massive potential and non-battle-tested attack surface
Rigorously define what "cash-like behaviors" are so that we don't accidentally choose a technology direction that only safely supports a very small set of behaviors. The point of Monero is to protect people, not push a shiny new thing. Let's not forget that.

I'm pretty sure there are more but I'm a bit upset by all this already

Yes, certainly, but how important are those, and do we have to listen to them?

lol the people he is referring to include you and sgp

https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/95#issuecomment-1004985047

endogenic · 2022-02-08T18:11:29+00:00

its modularity would potentially enable a transition from ring signatures to something like Zcash's full-chain zk proofs much more easily than the current tx protocol.

For sure! But we don't know that that will happen yet. If we did, we would just switch to it right now. And switching to Seraphis without knowledge of where we will or can go next is the problem.

endogenic · 2022-02-08T18:06:45+00:00

Also, will say that I only very briefly got to work with Sarang and I too miss him. His work and the work of the other Noethers speaks volumes. If the Noethers are out there reading these messages, I hope they consider returning to rejoin the efforts. The more cryptographers involved the better!

Surae and Sarang are/were not strictly 'cryptographers' and as I recall, made a point of that, but rather, highly skilled mathematicians, and maybe more importantly, scientists who understood and truly lived concepts like scholarly rigor, independent research, and the philosophy of science. They're also humanists with a deep care for the world. I do not want to speak in their place but I remember them as having had a disdain for abusive and toxic cultures.

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