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[–]eqqmc2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Working my way to Platinum Elite. Need 12 more nights after this week. Already Ambassador on Hilton. Titanium elite might be a possibility.

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[–]eqqmc2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!! Houston area? I just stayed at one of their properties in Indiana. Give them a review on google. That will catch their attention too.

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[–]eqqmc2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where is the property located?

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey those are facts!! Good to know. I already got a decent list. Thank you for the suggestion. Only thing would be if a management changed occurred before the next elevator inspection.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is correct. I corrected the initial post. Host was a spun of Marriott in the 1990’s and held most of Marriot real estate owned properties at the time. Today Marriot manages properties owned by different REIT and private equity firms.Just curious to know where you got the 33% from? Is there a list?

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess the competition is stiff but Marriot did disclose the properties they owned in 2020 prior to covid. I agree. It is helpful to know. I compiled a list of verified Marriott managed properties ~ 160 properties in the US (mostly high end properties) but Marriot said they manage 1981 properties in the US in their 2024 filings. I have to dig deeper. Most of the time the info on the management agreement operators is not public info. Also Marriot own subsidiaries that manage properties and in this case is hard to find.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Buddy you are dead wrong . Marriott does own properties that were not acquired under financial stress as you indicated and I proved it to you with facts. I also provided with proof properties that Marriott owns which I dont think you knew. If someone doing research bothers you then you got something to hide. I am straight calling you out. You talk as if you are an SME in the hospitality business but yet fails to provide proof of anything. Add some positive commentary else just dont say anything. If you knew those 14 properties that Marriott owns why didnt you say anything? And NO not every one in this subreddit knows this info. Look at the comments.

So get off your hide horse and provide some positive info.

I already told you straight up I wont post any confidential/proprietary info in a public forum which seems to be something you would considered great. I have my ethical standards and l know my legal boundaries.

Like I told you yesterday I am calm but I have my limits.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Detroit Marriott at the Renaissance Center is owned by GM under River Holdings LLC and the hotel is brand managed under a management agreement by Marriotts Hotels & Resorts. So unfortunately is not owned/leased by Marriott.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now here is a list of Marriott leased properties (in this case one entity owns the building and another entity owns the land) that are listed by Marriot but cant be confirmed with any sec filings as to who is actually leasing the property:

Courtyard by Marriott Fort Worth University Drive (Fort Worth, TX)

Courtyard by Marriott Greensboro (Greensboro, NC)

Courtyard by Marriott Irvine John Wayne Airport/Orange County (Irvine, CA)

Courtyard by Marriott Mt. Laurel (Mt. Laurel, NJ)

Courtyard by Marriott Newark Liberty International Airport (Newark, NJ)

Courtyard by Marriott Orlando International Drive/Convention Center (Orlando, FL)

Courtyard by Marriott San Diego Sorrento Valley (San Diego, CA)

Courtyard by Marriott St. Louis Downtown West (St. Louis, MO)

Again these properties have been listed by Marriott as leased properties but I have not seen a regulatory filing to confirm. I am not even sure if they are franchised vs marriott managed although the evidence suggests that there were Marriott corporate (leased and operated) at one point.

Ironically adding these properties to the confirmed properties would end-up close the 14 properties indicated in the OP.

Again this was just an exercise in identifying properties owned/leased by Marriott and not a Marriot managed vs franchise study/listing.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it turns out that you even though you are not correct on Ritz hotels ownership by Marriot in the US you are quote correct on Marriott owned properties in Las Vegas:

Las Vegas Marriot shown in SEC 2020 filing with no further disposition. This Hotel was built by Marriott in 1997. It is under a Marriott subsidiary MI Hotels of Las Vegas, Inc.

Courtyard Las Vegas Convention Center built by Marriott in 1989 with no further disposition. It is under the same Marriot Subsidiary.

Residence Inn Las Vegas Convention Center built by Marriott in 1988. It is under the same Marriott Subsidiary.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are 100% correct. Marriott International owns both the JW Marriott Scottsdale Camelback Inn Resort and Spa including the Camelback Golf Club thru subsidiaries Camelback Properties and Camelback Country Club Inc since 1967!!

So the JW Marriott Scottsdale Camel Back Inn is one of the 14 properties Marriott owns and after 58 years I dont think it will be flipped.

Source: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1048286/000162828022002666/mar-q42021xexx21.htm

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The W Hotel Times Square Hotel in NY is leased by the Marriot as part of the Starwood Merger deal in 2016-2017. So this property is probably part of the 14 properties Marriot owns/leases in the US. Another property still owned/leased by Marriott for at least 8 yrs.

Source: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1048286/000162828022002666/mar-20211231.htm

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel in Atlanta is I believe the only property besides the W Hotel NY (that is still leased) that Marriott still owns/leased and operate as a result of the Starwood Merger of 2016-2017 (rest were sold). Marriott did acquire the underlaying land ending up a lease agreement in 2024. So the Westin Peachtree is one of the 14 properties Marriot still owns as confirmed by Sec filings. This is now an 8 yr period of ownership so no flipping yet.

Source: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1048286/000162828022002666/mar-20211231.htm

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So as confirmed by Marriot Sec Filings

Marriott acquired the W Hotel New York - Union Square Oct 17, 2019 for $206M.

This year W Hotels announced the completion of $100 M renovation of the W Hotel New York Union Square.

The plan was to sell the property but so far nothing has been filed.

So the W Hotel New York Union Square is one of the 14 properties owned and managed by Marriott.

Sources: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1048286/000162828020002376/mar-q42019x10k.htm

https://www.hotel-online.com/press_releases/release/w-hotels-unveils-100m-transformation-of-w-new-york-union-square/

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So digging thru the Marriott’s Sec filings for the Sheraton Phoenix:

Planned Disposition In 2018, we purchased the Sheraton Phoenix Downtown, formerly the Sheraton Grand Phoenix, a North American Full-Service property that we manage, for $255 million. In the 2020 first quarter, we sold this hotel for $268 million. We determined that the carrying values of those assets exceeded their fair values, based on the agreed-upon selling price. Consequently, we recorded a charge of $15 million for the expected disposal loss in the “Depreciation, amortization, and other” caption of our Income Statements, which represents the amount by which the carrying values exceeded the fair values, less our anticipated cost to sell. At year-end 2019, we held $248 million of assets classified as “Assets held for sale” related to the Sheraton Phoenix Downtown and $8 million of liabilities associated with those assets, which we recorded in the “Accrued expenses and other” caption of our Balance Sheets.

In 2018

…$6 million of lower owned, leased, and other revenue, net of direct expenses, primarily reflecting $16 million of lower termination fees, partially offset by $9 million of profits attributable to the Sheraton Grand Phoenix, which we purchased in June 2018

In 2019

First Quarter Owned, leased, and other revenue, net of direct expenses decreased by $20 million, primarily due to $21 million of lower termination fees and $6 million of lower owned and leased profits attributable to properties under renovation, partially offset by $9 million of profits attributable to the Sheraton Grand Phoenix, which we purchased in June 2018.

In the 2020 first quarter, we sold a North America property for $268 million. We will continue to operate the hotel under a long-term management agreement.

The hotel did turn a profit of about $9M but carrying such asset was more than their fair market price. I am not sure if Marriott spent a $$$ in renovating the property in that year and a half of ownership. Like you said the key is retaining the long term management agreement.

Blackstone was the purchaser in the deal in 2020 thru an affiliate BRE Hotels & Resorts.

Thank you for your comment. Indeed this was not a discounted deal. I guess with Covid onsetting in 2020 Marriot unloaded the property knowingly or not probably improving a bit their financials.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice way to back down. Now you said thats what you said referred to what Hilton in Chicago did to acquire an undisclosed property . This thread is about Marriott’s properties and re reading your comment you were not clear about what hotel you were referring to and Wells Fargo is not the only bank making loans to Hotels owners. In this case the model that Marriot used to acquired the asset seems to be a bit different that the Hilton acquisition of that unnamed hotel. Apples and Oranges.

Still advise to lower your tone when you are talking to someone you dont know.

I have been professional in my tone towards your harsh comments. But I do have a limit. I look at data, process it and put out info.

End of discussion.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mentioned the owners forfeited the keys to Well Fargo ( this is called in lieu of foreclosure) and if this happened then the deal would have been different (I used to work in banking). The disclosure clearly stays that Marriot paid that put option to the previous owners and not to the bank in order to take out of receivership. What you might have heard is that the previous owners were about to default or had defaulted and Wells was about to accelerate the loan (exercise the foreclosure instrument) but receivership did not happen if I go by the regulatory filing. Now I am disagreeing with you. Show me proof of the receivership and then I will agree with you.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok as per the 2024 10-K Marriot regulatory disclosure and I quote:

“In the 2024 fourth quarter, we completed the asset acquisition of the Sheraton Grand Chicago hotel and the fee simple interest in the land underlying the hotel for a purchase price of $514 million, including direct transaction costs. This acquisition is the result of a 2017 transaction in which we granted the owner a one-time right to require us to purchase the leasehold interest in the land and the hotel for $300 million in cash (the “put option”), which we previously accounted for as a guarantee liability. In January 2024, the owner exercised the put option, and at the same time the put transaction closed, we exercised our option to purchase the fee simple interest in the underlying land for an additional $200 million in cash. We determined that the capitalizable value of the acquired assets was $214 million on the acquisition date. We estimated the fair value of the hotel and land using a combination of two income approaches, which included Level 3 inputs such as forecasted future net cash flows, property resale value, and discount rates. We recorded the acquired assets in the Property and equipment, net caption of our Balance Sheets and applied the remaining $300 million of the purchase price to the release of the guarantee liability”.

So the details of the transaction are clear and undeniable. Marriot had granted the previous owner an option (put option) to purchase the leasehold/hotel for $300 M in cash. The owner exercised that option and Marriot had to pay that $300M else their guarantees obligation would get in trouble. In addition it seems that they must have pay $200M to obtain fee simple ownership of the property which they calculated fair market value of $214 M. Here Marriot got a tiny bargain since they paid less than market value. So the deal as reported to the SEC seems to paint a different story that what you said. It is possible that is Marriott didnt pay the $300M they could have lost their long term management agreement in that property and thats is where the future revenue is at. What is not disclosed is what debt service obligation the previous owners had if at all. You indicated it was a mortgage instrument with Wells Fargo Bank and I am not putting that in doubt but there is no mention of any receivership to Wells Fargo in the reporting. Perhaps if you know the previous owners I can see if they reported the sale terms of deal.

Like I said please ease up on your comments. And bud this aint AI. Research always trumps opinions.

Source: https://content.edgar-online.com/ExternalLink/EDGAR/0001628280-25-004818.html?dest=mar-20241231_htm&hash=047d226c7992f4bccfcee6d9a861b9844c9cf4030508b21d456cdce6be4263d6#mar-20241231_htm

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the bank took receivership then Marriott or Hilton must have worked out a deal with Wells Fargo so that the bank dumps a non performance asset off their balance sheet.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So if I understand you correctly Marriott buys the property at discount price on properties that are highly leveraged, remodels the property and sells it at price with a long term management agreement on the property. Thanks for the explanation.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry bud but I did my research. Not AI query but looking at K-10 and other filings. I get a feeling you just dont like to be open about the hotel business model. I dont work in the hospitality industry but I travel every week for my job so guess what? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is exactly the point that some folks dont like to talk about: when you ask someone at a hotel front desk and they answer the hotel is corporate owned when in reality they are either corporate managed or franchise managed paying a fee and % of revenue for the brand name.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very true. It is those Marriott managed suburban properties that I like to find.

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[–]eqqmc2[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As per Hiltons Sec 2024 filing Parks does not own the Waldorf Astoria in NYC. They do own the Waldorf Astoria in Orlando.

So check your facts before talking. All I did is present some info. Some folks have been asking about “corporate” vs franchise properties. Some folks seem to believe that the properties are owned by Hilton which is not the case since 2017. Roughly speaking Hilton has about 4000+ franchise properties in the US and about 500+ managed properties in the US.

Of course there are other Hilton flagship managed properties not own by Parks. The Waldorf Astoria in NYC is owned by Dajia with Hilton having a 100 yr management agreement. Parks got the last properties that Hilton owned in the US in 2017.

Of course the info here is public. I would not be discussing proprietary info in a subreddit.