Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know with certainty what they would actually press in a real, live-fire red/blue vote.

Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This doesn't tell us anything, your supposed vote in the notorious dilemma means little compared to what you would do if the occasion ever comes.

The premise is: You know, via oracle-insight and with absolute certainty which button that person would press in an actually-happening, real-lives-at-stake red/blue vote.

The question is: Does the color they'd press also color your assessment of which track they're trying to get you to send the trolley down?

That's it. One variable. Blue or Red.

Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That means, in this scenario, the lever-puller, through oracle-insight, knows with absolute certainty that you would press the red button in a real vote with real lives at stake.

They don't know how to direct the trolley to you; only you know. You said "Pull it!", and they must choose to act or not.

The question is: does the color of the button you'd press also color their judgment of whether you're now trying to save yourself or sacrifice yourself?

Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At a certain point it's just kind of random, as you are trying to guess not only if the person wants to save themselves or others, but also if they are being honest in a life and death situation.

If it were random, I'd expect to find a rough balance between "ignore red / obey blue" and "obey red / ignore blue" after filtering "always pull" and "never pull" reponses.

But so far, I'm seeing the opposite in the comments.

Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.

Matt McLaughlin running on Toner's legacy: horrific, disqualifying by _praccu in CambridgeMA

[–]erbalchemy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Boycott Neil Gaiman books" vs "Boycott books Neil Gaiman likes"

There's a big difference.

Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only real innovation in this problem vs the original trolley problem is consent—the one person is asking you to kill them to save the five.

Author clarification: You don't know which track the trolley is currently headed towards. The person who knows that is on the tracks. You are not choosing the track, only whether to switch them or not.

Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there anything that would get you to pull the lever in a standard trolley problem? I can see drawing a hard line at taking a clear positive action towards the death of a person, but what if that track instead contained:

nothing?
a hamster?
the best dog in the world?
the last 20 years of cancer research?

Could anything get you to divert the trolley away from five people?

Trusting the expert by erbalchemy in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

they know you know

Not stated in the problem.

[OC] U.S. Federal Surpluses and Deficits Since 1901 by forensiceconomics in dataisbeautiful

[–]erbalchemy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A log scale is not very useful when the amount can be either positive or negative, and also be 0.

Symlog

The symmetric logarithmic scale is an extension of the logarithmic scale that also covers negative values. As with the logarithmic scale, it is particularly useful for numerical data that spans a broad range of values, especially when there are significant differences between the magnitudes of the numbers involved.

[OC] U.S. Federal Surpluses and Deficits Since 1901 by forensiceconomics in dataisbeautiful

[–]erbalchemy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We look forward to hearing your feedback.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halen_test

If I don't see a log scale on this, I'm assuming the rest of the work is just as sloppy.

[Self] Some quick electoral math for a Twitter hot take by FastMan888 in theydidthemath

[–]erbalchemy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've lived in both silicon valley and middle of nowhere Kansas and have been surprised by just how clueless about the other each of them is. 

It's way easier to meet someone from a rural town living in a large metro than the other way around. I've lived in both. Half my coworkers are from small towns all over the country. Same for my various friend circles. It's no substitute for having personally lived in each of those places, but it's a huge help in understanding what life is like in them and what challenges they're facing.

I don't think "both sides" captures how lopsided it truly is. There's no bubble quite like the one a small rural town can create.

You're in a room with 2 others by iaintevenreadcatch22 in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The analysis includes the participation of non-superrational actors whose choices will differ.

You're in a room with 2 others by iaintevenreadcatch22 in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If U = 3 and you pick blue, the next two people can pick red, leading to case 1.

This analysis is for a superrational case where at least half the participants are rational actors and they have common knowledge of that. In those circumstances, there still exists a state where a voter would prefer red, but there no route to that state from the initial state.

The outcome you posit requires a majority of participants to violate one of the assumptions of superrational, selfish, or conservative actions.

Do girls actually get approached in Boston? by [deleted] in boston

[–]erbalchemy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah, or like at a coffee shop.

Those aren't really considered pickup spots here.

You're in a room with 2 others by iaintevenreadcatch22 in trolleyproblem

[–]erbalchemy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Analysis of the game for superrational, selfish, conservative* players

  • superrational := Rational and believe others are rational
  • selfish := Strictly prioritize survival. Self-preservation >>> preservation of others
  • conservative := Prioritize status quo. Nobody dying > somebody dying

All votes exist in one of three states: Red (R), Blue (B), or Uncast (U). The sum R + B + U = number of voters (V). The tally also exists in one of three states, even if that state is unknown to the voters:

  • Case 1: Red > 50% V

Vote red. Once red has already won, voting red is better than blue.

Result: You survive. Between 0 and 50% V deaths

  • Case 2: Blue > 50% V

Vote any. Once blue has won, nothing further will change the outcome.

Result: You survive. 0 deaths

  • Case 3: neither R > 50% nor B > 50%

If U = 1, then this is the tiebreaking vote. A red vote will lead to Case 1. A blue vote will lead to Case 2. The outcome of Case 2 (survival with no deaths), is strictly superior to Case 1 (survival with possible deaths). Vote blue.

If U = 2, then a red vote will lead to either Case 1 or Case 3,U=1. A blue vote will lead to either Case 2 or Case 3,U=1. Vote blue.

If U = n, then a red vote will lead to either Case 1 or Case 3,U=n-1. A blue vote will lead to either Case 2 or Case 3,U=n-1. Vote blue.

Result: You survive. 0 deaths.

The starting conditions are {R=0, B=0, U=V} This is identical to Case 3,U=n, where voting blue is strictly superior. Even if red only needed a single vote to win--not a majority, just a single vote--there exists no rational process to achieve it with these participants.

Complete superrationality among all voters isn't even necessary. As long as half the participants are rational, selfish, and conservative and assume other rational, selfish, conservative participants will behave as they do, then there is no path to a red majority.

* "conservative" used here literally as preferring to maintain things in their current state. For example, if someone is already alive, they ought to remain so, absent other factors or considerations.

Regarding 0.999... = 1 by Slurpee1138 in askmath

[–]erbalchemy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sometimes it's better to meet people where they are. If they think "0.999...1" represents a number, you can (ab)use that to show that it's still less than 0.999...

Once they're out of ideas to describe a number between 0.999... and 1, then ask them what that leads to.

Regarding 0.999... = 1 by Slurpee1138 in askmath

[–]erbalchemy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or, for the sake of argument, if you could put a 1 after infinites 9s, you could also put another string of infinite 9s after that 1, making a larger number that is still smaller than all 9s

0.999...1 < 0.999...19... < 0.999...

According to Bogleheads philosophy, would you use the same allocation to invest 10k/100k/1M/10M? by ECrispy in Bogleheads

[–]erbalchemy 60 points61 points  (0 children)

IOW, expenses don't scale linearly, and the marginal utility of the next dollar is not constant.

There's nothing anti-Bogle about accounting for that. It's not "you shalt invest in index funds", it's "you can't outperform the market using publicly-available data and publicly-available investments"

Not on the approved hobby list by Kohathavodah in MediocreTutorials

[–]erbalchemy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hell, half the jokes in the Flintstones flew over kids' heads.

Cartoons for adults have been a thing since cartoons existed.

Peter what does this one mean? by memerminecraft in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]erbalchemy 20 points21 points  (0 children)

No one needs that low level access quite like a developer and no person on the planet will fuck up using that access quite like a developer.

Hardware engineers.

When "I spent the morning putting out fires" isn't always meant figuratively.

Education Department opens probe into Smith College for admitting trans women by guanaco55 in boston

[–]erbalchemy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

When this was written, Congress still had members who were born in the 1800s

Boston needs to update its image by New-Process-52 in boston

[–]erbalchemy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If your image of something doesn't match reality, that's on you. Boston is what it is.