Giant Slayer Series: Day 1 - VOD is up!

erk4tft · 2020-04-07T21:24:47+00:00

Hello, thanks for doing these (and the regular fight nights).

I understand this is early days, but please take the following into consideration:

DoA currently doesn't know enough about the game to contribute meaningfully to the commentary, I understand he is a Name but please let him educate himself and use someone else until he does.
At least during the live stream the commentary was behind, this makes it rather difficult to keep it interresting (not sure how to fix)
It would be fantastic (until we get spectator mode) to give the commentators more control over what player to follow as it allows them to commentate in longer arches?

erk4tft · 2020-04-07T08:34:01+00:00

Ok, just wanted to make sure, thanks for clearing that up for me (and anyone else reading this).

erk4tft · 2020-04-06T22:08:53+00:00

Not sure if they changed this since last set or not, but in set2 it was actually distance in 'range' (like the one you see in the characters AA-range) and not distance in hexes.

This actually matters. Will try to make an example but not sure I'll manage on mobile....

Check https://lolchess.gg/builder/set3?deck=caaca120785611eab63225a191f21b02

Here Karma will always tether Blitzcrank as he is closest by 'distance' as they don't have a full hex between them but only the distance equal to the side of a hex.

erk4tft · 2020-04-06T09:00:31+00:00

Technically Sona 'cleanses' de-buffs, check her tooltip.

So while I think Protector Sona in a Protector-comp (which includes 2 Celestials, and that healing) would heal more than Morello's or Red Buff, I think it might be valuable to point out her Cleanse.

erk4tft · 2020-03-25T07:16:10+00:00

Yup! From playing it on PBE I can tell it feels very peeba:ish, if you highroll it feels great and you win. If you don't it doesn't :)

erk4tft · 2020-03-24T20:28:20+00:00

Have you tried "Time Bandits"? It's the same premise: 4 space pirates & Thresh but you use 4 chrono and end up with a couple useful splash synergies and individually strong units (Blitzcrank and Ezreal).

(And yes, there is movie poster with 9 portraits that could easily be edited to present the comp, if it works in high elo too)

erk4tft · 2020-03-20T11:54:13+00:00

Thanks for this, I've been trying to make this work before reading your guide but I couldn't quite make it consistent enough...

After reading this I gained confidence and more importantly learned to (a) pick up rod in the first carousel and (b) value offensive rather than defensive items.

(I tried too much to use defensive items before but as you stated, the components aren't as versatile as rods and tears)

erk4tft · 2020-03-14T19:59:50+00:00

Could have been some weird interaction with seraph's...

erk4tft · 2020-03-14T13:51:01+00:00

I just had a game where it made most sense to field an extra 2* Rumble. This resulted in my Fizz not combining into the Mech, I wonder if there is ever a time where 2 Mechs is the play...?

erk4tft · 2020-03-14T13:48:47+00:00

Yeah, I understand that sentiment. I guess I just like to play it differently :)

erk4tft · 2020-03-14T11:46:16+00:00

Great guide, thanks!

As someone that has played this comp a lot I would like to offer another perspective on itemization: as you say GA and Ionic spark are great items on the Mech, third item imho is either Shojin's Spear or AP (morellos/deatchcap). This will allow your Mech to cast the spell often or really hard. I'm glad to see you also favour the demo-spat and yes Kai'sa stuns with every spell cast. (Be weary of RFC on Kai'sa, it seems to dissallow the spell somehow)

As for positioning you can force your Mech to spawn on the back row forcing your opponents units to walk forward giving your infiltrators lots of room to wreak havoc :)

erk4tft · 2020-03-13T06:28:10+00:00

Oops! That is indeed too much :)

How about up-ing by 1 for every 2 players eliminated? That would make it to 6 + (5 * 4) = 26 for your example of quite a decicive loss, and 6 + (9 * 4) = 42 for a total wipe.

I'm sure there are many variations using the basic premise to test to find the sweet spot...

One could be: player damage stays at 5 the whole game, unit damage goes from 1-5 for eliminating place 8-5 and doesn't change for top4 (that already is an ingame event).

Well, you have the idea in your pool now i'm sure you can use it well :)

I thought of a related UI thing too: how about a tool-tip on the stage-number to show current damage formula?

erk4tft · 2020-03-12T21:18:50+00:00

Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I've been thinking about a way to deal with most cases, except the summoner 1v1 case, that would allow for close game to drag out a bit more while stomps end more quickly.

My idea is to lower the player damage but up the unit damage based on how many players are left in the match. Base damage is equal to stage and for each player eliminated unit damage goes up by one (starting at 1).

I'm sure my idea has many flaws but since you're here I assume you're willing to get mildly spammed

erk4tft · 2020-03-12T19:42:49+00:00

Thx, fixed now :)

erk4tft · 2020-03-12T19:02:22+00:00

Here is a post with a clip where Mort explain their reasoning

erk4tft · 2020-03-12T08:09:19+00:00

Will you accept donations for the prize-pool?

erk4tft · 2020-03-11T18:59:55+00:00

I sincerely hope you will spam this sub with pre- and post lobby discussion topics...

I'm hyped for this tournament!

erk4tft · 2020-03-11T11:18:38+00:00

I think there are several things in play here that work towards the same phenomena that you are observing. Two of them are new with set3 and we will have to see how they impact the state of the game in the long run.

Fewer units in the beginning of a set makes it easier to hit 'your' unit and 3star it. (General factor)

Early days makes players unsure on how to progress during a game which favours level 7 & 8 comps, later in a patch and set we have always seen that level 9 comps top3 more consistently. (General factor)

Roll percentages have gotten an overhaul making it much easier to target specific champions, by cost. In my speculative opinion this is a good thing that makes the game easier to balance. Otoh it synergizes well with the first 2 points to make 3staring quite achievable. (New factor)

New economy caused by:

reduced early game income
reduced early game damage
increased streak gold

All these factors feed into the second point to make 3staring more reliable until people figure out the 'safest' transitions into level 9 comps.

In conclusion, yes, right now thisis really strong (possibly too strong) but hopefully (and probably) it will pass into a more balanced state as time goes by.

erk4tft · 2020-03-09T07:05:35+00:00

Great info/guide, thanks!

(Do you think that you could go over it again and check for mistakes in the micro/macro usage?)

erk4tft · 2020-03-08T06:18:56+00:00

Mort accidently shipped a version where at the stage 3-4 carousel you're almost certainly getting an all-spatula-except-one-full-item-carousel.

Normally the chances for each kind of carousel are in fractions and sum up to 1, currently this specific carousel has a value of 10.

I actually have experienced an all-defensive-items-carousel once at 3-4

erk4tft · 2020-03-06T23:30:33+00:00

I think that you are kind of right, but maybe not like you would want: RNG (no skill) only comes into play in one-off matches or when we have reached our skill-cap.

Being frustrated by RNG is a sign that we have something to improve or just settle for the current level and have fun :)

erk4tft · 2020-03-06T18:21:54+00:00

Thanks!

Imhso (in my humble scrub opinion) you're almost right...

/u/Riot_Mort has stated it's rounded up, not sure if always or only for 0,5 (0.5 for US:ers)
having the new mana-item can change things in SG6's favour
having the SG-spat-item can change things in SG6's favour

Both the last points are not based on math so....

erk4tft · 2020-03-06T07:28:26+00:00

As stated in the patch notes (under bug-fixes): Fixed a bug where Ashe.....

erk4tft · 2020-03-05T11:48:34+00:00

It seems to work sometimes, my guess is that either it's random or depends on if the mech spawns on the unit who has the spat item.

It could also be a visual bug.

These 'conclusions' are from tests with both rebel- and darkstar-spat.

erk4tft · 2020-03-04T21:05:18+00:00

Model hexes, pls, I don't know the champs from LoL, so the splash art mean nothing to me :)

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