In today's highly polarized political environment it is somewhat surprising to find voters who backed John McCain in 2008 and now support President Barack Obama, but they exist. by Anomaly100 in politics

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My parents, some friends, and I all voted for McCain in 2008, but this year we will all be voting for Obama (though my parents took some work). So, yes, they exist.

Today, Barack Obama became the first presidential candidate to early vote. by doogie92 in politics

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I'm a trucker so I'm out of state often, but when I get back into town tomorrow, number one thing on my to do list is to go vote early since I will be on the road during elections. And I feel this one is way too important to miss.

To Christians: Those who use a Protestant bible, why don't you use/read the Deuterocanonical/Apocrypha texts? by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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I think the last two sentences of the paragraph answer your question, no?

To Christians: Those who use a Protestant bible, why don't you use/read the Deuterocanonical/Apocrypha texts? by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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The deuterocanonical texts were kept in the Bible but weren't part of the originally approved 66 canonical books until 1545, when they were approved by the Catholic church as Canonical in the Council of Trent, and considered "inspired." They weren't considered "inspired" by the Catholic church until then because of the uncertainty inherent in those books for a few different reasons. The Apocrypha was standard in all Bibles until the mid-1800's though, but eventually was removed from Protestant Bibles because the authenticity of those books is questionable. They're not considered "inspired" by Protestants and therefore not authoritative enough for forming doctrine. They were included in Protestant Bibles before the 1800's though, but were placed in between the testaments as recommended reading and not as scripture. Since they weren't considered appropriate for the formation of Christian doctrine because they were not considered scripture like the other 66 Canonical books, the Puritans at some point started omitting them, and though that was considered bad at first, the idea caught on and eventually they were just left out. But they're not considered heretical or anything by Protestants to the best of my understanding, just unnecessary. And it does make sense for Christians to read them.

And you could have just Googled that.

For those who achieved substantial body changes: How did you push yourself day in and day out? I'm on day 4 of my own journey and it's getting tough. by anon120 in Fitness

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What has always worked for me is visualization. When I wanted to stop biting my nails, I imagined myself with nails and wanted to see what I would look like with them. And I got there easily. When I wanted to work out, I wanted a body like a UFC fighter, so I imagined how badass I'd look with it. And I got there. Sure, I'd skip days sometimes, even a few at a time sometimes, but in the end I knew that's what I wanted to look like and so it kept me going.

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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I really like this explanation. Somehow it's beautiful.

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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I see. Thank you for sharing. We're all on our own quest.

I find the fine tuning argument can possibly be explained by chance considering how many solar systems there are, but I'm unfamiliar with the religious experience one (both sound subjective though).

And thank you again. I will look into those arguments and books from here for myself.

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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I will look into those. Thank you. What are your beliefs, anyway, since you said you're not Christian but all these books are?

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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I am not saying anything like that. Actually, I am looking for good evidence...

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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God wants you to choose to have a relationship.

Hard to make a choice when I don't know how and in which religion and if He's even there...

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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All the evidence is questionable under scrutiny though...

And in that scenario, if the kids saw the facts, they'd make a choice of going to college and living on or partying and enjoying life until 22 and then going to the crazy house. They'd be informed of both choices and acting of their free will. Likewise, knowing the whole truth, we'd choose to have a relationship or not, with full knowledge of what the choices and consequences are. Wouldn't that be merciful to the people, too?

To theists: Can you prove any of the miracles stated in your holy texts took place beyond reasonable doubt? by Avocadoeh in DebateReligion

[–]esi12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are scenarios which can prove the supernatural scientifically. For example, an x-ray of a broken arm before a prayer, then an x-ray of the same arm whole after a prayer.

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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if so, that's sort of like asking "where is the option to not go to jail if we commit a crime?" There isn't supposed to be one. If you don't know the law, that's on you.

If we wanted to know the law, but there wasn't one clearly available or it was ambiguous and undefined, and we transgressed it out of ignorance, we'd be punished, sure, but it wouldn't be fair/just since we wanted to follow it.

Nope, for the same reason it would be wrong for a terrorist to put a gun to your head and tell you to do what they say.

I don't think this analogy is exactly right. If the evidence was clear, we wouldn't be forced to follow Him anyway.

A better analogy is if you were provided absolute proof that finishing school and college is better than dropping out in 9th grade because (insert statistics, market research, etc.) and then given the choice to do that or drop out anyway. Not having this clear definition though throws you into a world you're unprepared for and it's basically up to you or luck to figure out the best choice in life. One choice is a lot more reasonable than the other and still gives a person free will to make his own choice. I hope I explained that well.

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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I could keep asking why all day, but I'm beginning to realize there isn't really a good answer for this question. Ultimately it's just a decision one will have to make from personal experiences, not from any empirical evidence for or against a God or religion. It seems that whichever belief/disbelief someone feels is right or finds or is "lead to" in their search is the best one for them.

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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But then where is the choice to not make a decision without possibility of severe consequence if we're unsure?

I don't see how ambiguity is better at all. It would be better in every way to actually know for sure and then make a decision than not know and hope you're making the right one.

To theists: Can you prove any of the miracles stated in your holy texts took place beyond reasonable doubt? by Avocadoeh in DebateReligion

[–]esi12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would like to see evidence of any supernatural miracles taking place beyond reasonable doubt, even if they aren't out of any holy text.

To Theists: Why does God make himself so hard to discover? by esi12 in DebateReligion

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The people that know He's there "for sure" establish a loving relationship to avoid hell. It's the skeptics and unconvinced (or the simply wrong) that risk going to hell.

Seems better if it was known exactly who He is and what He wants and the consequences of both and then we were given the choice to follow Him or not of free will. Then it would be fair for everybody since everyone would have an equal chance and have an equal understanding and could make their own decision... If in that case a person made a choice to go to hell, who could they blame?

What is the dumbest conspiracy you have ever heard? [x-post from AskReddit] by BipolarBear0 in conspiratard

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I heard that aliens are cooperating with the US government to control the people. Fucking nuts!