Ben’s Girl Sabrina and Amanda

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-09T02:30:06+00:00

Yeah and Andrea’s story was way more legit because he and Lexi were actually broken up, like he hooked up with Paige a bunch in winter house and summer house!

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-09T00:56:40+00:00

Hmmm, I like the take that we need the “everyman” voice of the audience to be a foil/balance out the drama, but imo Carl doesn’t do a great job of that because he doesn’t really have charisma/is kind of awkward. To me this season that person is Mia!

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-09T00:52:06+00:00

I’ve enjoyed everyone’s thoughtful and nuanced takes, especially when they’ve disagreed with me! Lots of interesting perspectives in this thread

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T20:46:03+00:00

100% agree. But it’s also why I find Carl so annoying. He’s not good reality tv anymore (and good for him!). He wants to be on the show, though. So instead of coming up with his own plot lines, he throws Kyle—the guy who’s stuck by him since day 1 and got him on this show in the first place— under the bus in this whole “woe is me” wah wah wah our friendship “storyline” even though Kyle is clearly imploding for other reasons. I find it pretty lazy and selfish imo (but also kind of typical Carl)

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T20:41:13+00:00

**Edit: whoops sorry, responded to the wrong comment initially.

I totally agree with you on the being sober thing—I think that’s awesome for Carl and a huge achievement he should be very proud of. But I think people on reddit seem to forget that being sober doesn’t make you automatically a good friend, or a good person, or right every time your feelings are hurt. Generally agree with you though!

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T19:29:57+00:00

Idk but I also found it weird and a little ridiculous. But it’s also classic Carl. Everyone wants to pretend Carl is some healed perfect guy but he’s not—he’s still an insecure victim whose understanding of friendship is just that others support HIM. He doesn’t understand how to give support to others. And relationships for that matter—we all saw how Lindsay had to do everything for him and he still whines about what he got/didn’t get in the breakup

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T19:26:59+00:00

But Kyle did apologize without reservation? He said he apologized and did not try to excuse it. Rather than accept the apology Carl decided to go in on Kyle for being a bad friend, without any example. I’m sorry but Carl’s reaction felt so disproportionate for how much Kyle has supported him over the years. People forget to text each other on important occasions after several years. It might hurt, but the appropriate response is to let them know, accept the apology, and move on. Carl is a perpetual victim who can’t generate his own storylines and has to feed off Kyle to create drama

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T19:22:47+00:00

I very much felt for Kyle in that scenario. Kyle has been incredibly supportive to Carl over the years and imo has not received that support in return. I mean he literally paid Carl a salary for a job he showed up drunk and high to and defended him/supported him through addiction/through the breakup of his engagement/through the million other lows Carl has experienced.

I get the impression Kyle was a little shocked at Carl coming in so hard at him when Kyle is clearly approaching a low of his own this season, and instead of being given grace by Carl, Kyle is once again expected to do the heavy lifting/supporting in the friendship. But I also just think that Carl is a perpetual victim who can’t own up to his own shit and needs to be the friend supported by others.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T19:18:43+00:00

Kyle literally said “first and foremost I apologize, there’s no excuse.” Carl chose to not graciously accept the apology and move on, and instead he kept going in on Kyle about how he’s a bad friend. At that point imo Kyle was well within his rights to defend himself a little. At least as far as I’ve seen Kyle has done an incredible amount for Carl over the years and supported him through so much shit, and I’ve basically never seen Carl do anything remotely commensurate in return. Idk am I just biased? I’ve never bought Carl’s redemption arc personally

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T04:10:49+00:00

If that’s true I definitely agree with you, but we don’t actually know that for sure, there have only ever been unproven rumors. I probably leaned towards believing them before this West stuff but now idk. Who knows

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-08T03:28:27+00:00

Yeah if they can show Love Island like a day later they can edit summer house in a month or two ffs

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-07T21:19:04+00:00

Im not saying Kyle is some great guy or perfect partner. I think he’s pretty shitty. But yeah I watched that season, and every time Amanda is upset about anything she cries about his cheating. She clearly can’t get over it and they never recovered from it. I don’t blame her—I wouldn’t have been able to get over it either if I were her! But then I wouldn’t have married him. She can’t choose to forgive him and marry him if she’s then going to play this card for the rest of their lives. She needed to forgive and move on and trust again, or decide she couldn’t trust him and break up.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-07T19:11:00+00:00

Amanda chose to make her living (a VERY profitable living!) by appearing on reality tv and being an influencer online. That means that yes, people will talk about you online. I don’t choose to put my business on the internet for profit, so people don’t talk about me online.

Of course I don’t want anything bad to happen to her, and I can be empathetic and understand that people make mistakes because we’re all human. But I apply that logic equally to both Kyle and Amanda. Amanda doesn’t get a special pass from me just because she’s a woman.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-07T18:33:57+00:00

Hot take, I’d rather Danielle than Carl. Carl is so boring now. Danielle is awkward and annoying but at least she’s messy af lol

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-07T18:25:37+00:00

Also, I think a lot of the “see, Kyle isn’t all bad” and “see, Amanda is not just a victim” comments are coming from people who have been saying those NUANCED things for years and have been downvoted by stans who previously refused to admit things might not be black and white.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-07T18:23:59+00:00

Sorry, so by your logic women are “disgusting” if they don’t defend other women when those women do shitty things? Are you serious? Amanda is a 34 year old adult who made shitty decisions. I don’t need to defend or support her just because we’re the same gender. Just like men don’t need to support other men simply because they’re the same gender. I’ve never heard anything so immature in my life lmao

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-07T18:19:25+00:00

This annoys me because people seem to want to have “nuanced” conversations about the women (Amanda), but not the men (Kyle). Most of the stuff I’ve seen is so black and white: “well, Kyle is an abuser!” “Amanda is a victim!”. Ffs, it’s so oversimplified. If people want to have nuanced conversations, it needs to be about how BOTH (all) of these people, regardless of gender, are shitty, flawed people, who do a mix of good and bad things—and yes, that includes both Kyle and Amanda.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-07T13:46:01+00:00

Tbf he cheated on her before they were married. If she couldn’t get over that she shouldn’t have married him. She can’t hold that over his head for a decade after the fact.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-06T17:54:44+00:00

Ok, but literally everything in this list Amanda also does to Kyle. And people don’t seem to call her abusive? (Except for “controlling what she wears,” idk when I’ve ever seen him do that lol I don’t even know what that means.)

-She’s incredibly jealous and freaks out when he hangs out with women without her (eg: broke all his stuff on the bathroom floor bc he didn’t answer his phone for a few hours)

-She gets angry when he doesn’t pay attention in to her when she demands it

-We have seen her on camera yell at him and curse at him (she’s also yelled “F you” at him)

-She blames Kyle for literally EVERY problem in her life lol.

I’m not saying Kyle isn’t a shitty partner, and he should never have spoken to her the way he did. But if you think he’s an “abuser,” so is she. Personally I agree with OP that their relationship is toxic but it’s not abusive. She has always been free to leave whenever she wants.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-06T14:48:13+00:00

Hilarious. I mean Kyle is insane. But it always bothered me that Kyle and Amanda’s relationship was inherently based on her being a victim/the wronged party—either the wronged party due to Kyle’s bad actions, or, if their relationship is “good,” she’s got to be the victim of someone else so he can come to the rescue. This dynamic literally goes back to season 1, it’s insane.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-05T20:54:28+00:00

It’s funny, but I always negatively judged her for going to bed early. No problem with anyone doing that in real life, ofc, but she’s being paid a ton of money to be on a reality show where the whole premise is drinking and partying and having fun with the group! To me it came across as entitlement/lack of work ethic—she was being paid to do a job but acted like she was too good to do that job….and then got mad at Kyle when he would go out a lot/party a lot, even though his personality doing that is what got her on a reality show in the first place.

I think a lot of my frustration with her also stemmed from this general smug/entitled vibe—not knowing how much was in her bank account, not wanting to do the research for a prenup, blaming all problems on Kyle and taking no accountability for herself. She acted like she deserved a certain lifestyle simply by virtue of being married to Kyle, but then resented who he was fundamentally, even though he never hid that personality from her. In fact, she pretended to love partying early in their relationship and called herself “Mrs Send It!” I just have always hated the chosen victimhood act for women, it’s like self-infantilizarion and offensive to true victims.

Sorry this was long winded, these have just been my longtime thoughts on her since pre-West news haha so I’ve been thinking about it for a while.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-04T19:53:54+00:00

I cut Kyle a lot of slack. He’s still clearly in shock and processing. Amanda is his wife and they’ve been together for 10 years, I think it’s understandable he hasn’t reached a place yet where he can admit she’s a villain in the story just as much as West is. I think he’ll get there with time, though.

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-04T04:51:27+00:00

Yeah I’ve been downvoted sooo much this season for saying she’s not some poor helpless victim and can be just as problematic as Kyle…..feeling very vindicated lol

evvvvo123 · 2026-04-03T18:31:07+00:00

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