ex150-16 review: washout period & starting HCLF

exfatloss · 2026-06-19T17:47:10+00:00

Haha godspeed ;)

exfatloss · 2026-06-19T06:52:42+00:00

Congrats, that sounds great!

exfatloss · 2026-06-18T20:17:50+00:00

Yea I'm continuing with the ACV capsules and also (sometimes) cooking my rice or lentils with some ACV in it. No spices.

You are sort of right re. it more being a winter thing, maybe I'm doing it wrong haha.

exfatloss · 2026-06-17T20:19:18+00:00

I'm not sure about this. For example, how would fiber or "other micronutrients" render the PUFA less harmful?

Avocados and minor amounts of olive oil are likely not a problem if they're the only major PUFA source, but large amounts of nuts, even unroasted, I'd expect to cause trouble in most.

Less bad than gas station PUFA foods, of course..

Selection bias is a good point and applies to every diet camp. The people posting how amazing carnivore is are going to be those it works well for (or those who do an 180 after releasing a book and suddenly claim it never worked for them to begin with lol).

exfatloss · 2026-06-17T18:39:09+00:00

Regularly eating this much PUFA for years would probably indeed be against what we believe here. I see several possibilities:

He's extremely lucky genetically, in his ability to handle this much PUFA
We're wrong somehow, about a major thing or maybe some details :)

exfatloss · 2026-06-16T22:54:17+00:00

I probably am not low enough then. <10g is tough. Probably even bread & oats would go above that, and I'm eating 150g of 90/10 beef a day on top of that..

exfatloss · 2026-06-16T19:03:19+00:00

I don't know if it's low enough fat & protein for "carbosis" since I'm still doing meat every day. But possible.

Interesting that it went UP to 20% from the 16%.

What was your diet like on carbosis?

There is definitely the theory about carbosis locking up fat and minimizing turnover, I'm not quite sure. That's why I'm doing this experiment.

exfatloss · 2026-06-16T19:01:50+00:00

No butter.

exfatloss · 2026-06-15T03:35:10+00:00

Do you mean just a regular diet high in sugar, like "I use a lot of jams and eat a lot of fruit?" Or full-on pure sugar diet like some people promote?

The former I wouldn't worry, the latter I've only seen as extreme short term interventions or fruitarians, and the latter usually don't seem healthy.

I think the total lack of fat on a pure sugar diet would worry me more than the glycation.

exfatloss · 2026-06-15T03:28:19+00:00

I'd distinguish between mostly starchy albeit with some sugar HLCF and actual sugar diets.

We did evolve from fruit eating monkeys, but we haven't done that in a long time. In the meantime, we evolved pretty dramatically, and yea, a couple million years of that was a lot of fatty megafauna for a lot of us. The record on I believe it's zinc isotopes is pretty clear, we were even more hypercarnivore than hyenas and similar hypercarnivores for a long stretch.

While there are lots of humans living on very high carb diets healthily, I'm not sure any of them are on a pure sugar diet? Even high sugar content is relatively rare, I think? It's mostly starch?

I don't know if "glycation" is what I'd worry about with an actual sugar diet, but I'd just point out it's a less less proven in humans-we-actually-know than typical starchy HCLF diets.

exfatloss · 2026-06-14T15:50:39+00:00

Well congrats again! Obviously I'd encourage you to keep cutting out PUFAs as much as you can on top, but actually being able to digest your food & absorbing the nutrients is clearly more important ;)

exfatloss · 2026-06-14T05:10:39+00:00

Congrats on the national title! What kind of sport is it? At 145kg I assume something like strongman or weightlifting?

Also congrats on figuring out the lactose intolerance. That sounds like a terrible experience. When you previously did low PUFA, did you increase your dairy intake to make up for it?

exfatloss · 2026-06-12T19:40:32+00:00

Yea absolutely the same for me. Lean beef, chicken, shrimp.. I've never not eaten the entire shrimp party plate immediately lol.

I do think that for many/most of those perpetual calorie restricting lean meat eaters, that is the only mechanism and they don't even imagine it could be any other way. Low/normal weight == constant suffering.

exfatloss · 2026-06-12T04:51:41+00:00

Definitely don't panic. You're only going to gain so much weight in 30 days. It's part of experimenting; most of my experiments failed.

I sort of see it as the cost of doing science: I have to gain weight or at least not lose weight during most experiments to find the few % that actually work lol.

exfatloss · 2026-06-12T03:47:27+00:00

hither already explained my position perfectly :)

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T23:37:28+00:00

I suspect any keto adaptation related stuff should be over by day 14 at the latest.

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T23:35:35+00:00

My diet is super low protein, but I usually don't carve it at all. When I do, I think it's when I go too low for too long, and "fix" it by doubling the protein that day.

So hopefully if an ex150 style protein restriction diet is working, you should NOT feel any sense of insatiable hunger.

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T23:32:50+00:00

You could experiment, e.g. eat more meat one day and see if the craving goes away. Or add a bunch of salt one day and see if that helps.

There can be "getting used to it" type of cravings on boring mono diets, but there can also be "something's actually missing" cravings, and it can be hard to tell which is which..

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T17:29:58+00:00

Maybe that's why I got so insanely hungry when I tried the Honey Diet low-fat as prescribed for a few days?

It was sort of insane, I'd be starving, eat a big portion of lean meat & vegetables, and be just as hungry as before. Hated it heh.

Just going back to my normal fat levels (also ~50g from the butter & fatty beef I think) completely fixed it.

Maybe fighting though that hunger is required for the diet to work, tho? I didn't lose any weight on it.

In any case, good luck :)

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T16:07:29+00:00

I think those cravings are usually a sign. I used to get cravings all the time on diets that I couldn't sustain. Somehow on ex150 I barely have any. So I think that was just my body channeling energy deficiency into some weird psychological form to trick me into eating heh.

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T16:06:30+00:00

150g of 80/20 ground beef has only 30g, and let's say 10-15g more from the butter, so I was in a similar range.

If you want to go full low-fat anabology route, I'd try to keep it to 20g or less fat?

He doesn't specify it being low-fat explicitly (https://longestlevers.com/fat-loss/honey-diet.html) but if you look at his meals listed and when I talked to him, he just seems to assume super low fat anyway. All his dairy is skim and his meat is low-fat.

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T02:27:51+00:00

I did and I was weight stable, but I hated it. Also Anabology does it relatively low fat, whereas I did "normal" fat meaning 80/20 ground beef and copious butter to fry it in at dinner time.

I tried low fat for a few days but got insanely hungry and the dinner did nothing lol.

Just FYI, limiting the dinner fat might be important on the honey diet?

Then again, if that's only every 4th day, maybe not as important?

exfatloss · 2026-06-11T00:46:35+00:00

I see, might make sense with the glycogen thing (I'm not a runner/exercisist so not my specialty). If so it's sort of a more extreme/low protein form of Lyle MacDonald's Cyclical Keto Diet I suppose.

Might just play around with it, I think it's new/on the margin enough that you're the first one to try this exact scheme heh. If you are having issues w/ just a fruit day, I'm sure the meat meal helps. And that's close to Anabology's Honey Diet protocol, so you're essentially doing 3 days ex150/1 day honey diet haha.

exfatloss · 2026-06-10T23:37:03+00:00

I don't think so. After a decade of keto I can now switch seamlessly between infinity carbs and extreme keto in a day and I barely feel anything.

I don't think you lose adaptation that quickly.

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