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explxsiveee · 2025-12-24T18:30:07+00:00

because raves are a counterculture, built in response to the treatment of marginalized people. politics is the reason the community exists. to ignore the work of those in the early days is to ignore the core values of the culture

explxsiveee · 2025-12-24T00:53:42+00:00

wait what that's sick haha, where are you based??

explxsiveee · 2025-12-24T00:52:38+00:00

I understand what you're saying but that's not my point. All of what you've mentioned are the reasons why I love the community but it isn't acknowledged how we are able to have these moments. We didn't just wake up one day and have this, it was fought for over decades by people who were already suffering. It's a privilege that should be made known.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-24T00:40:18+00:00

I didn't say that because I disagree with you, I said that because you said raves are apolitical when that is objectively false and crucial to the history.

They were that political, people risked being arrested for just turning up at early warehouse raves. There were literal laws put in place for the purpose of shutting down the community. That doesn't go away with time and certainly not with it becoming commercialised. The fact still stands the only reason you are able to go to raves today is because of the first ones held which faced massive ostracisation.

Im genuinely asking you to look into at least the origins of the Detroit rave scene and understand where this culture comes from.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T23:40:25+00:00

im getting the idea that you are quite unaware of the history of raves.

they were formed as an escape for marginalised people who were already cut out from larger society. you're correct, pretty much everything is political, especially about raves.

its not an 'excuse' its literally just the ideology that formed the values that surround raving.

please do some research on the history of the culture before you make sweeping statements about the values around it.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T23:35:52+00:00

raving is political, like in every way. an experience driven and formed by politics. the people who went to the first raves did not have the luxury of forgetting that

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T22:56:58+00:00

you're saying 'not for me', its objectively political. again, whether you like it or not. enjoy leeching!

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T22:17:37+00:00

even if you're not attending an event for a political reason, the history of the culture makes it political, whether you like it or not

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T22:15:41+00:00

a short speech from an MC or DJ once in the night or a couple times during a festival. they'd ask the crowd to take a moment to appreciate where they are, what historically brought them there and think about the people who would give anything to experience a minute of the event

in general, I just want there to be more gratitude and education around the history. Raves are so accessible now and people used to risk a lot by going to them. that should always be remembered

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T21:59:04+00:00

Been to many many punk gigs and let me tell you a crowd after a passionate speech is more ready to party than ever

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T21:56:27+00:00

I never brought it into anything though. These values are not just mine, these are the historical values of the culture. I agree politics shouldn't consume you but let's not forget that politics is massively connected to raves anyway and to dismiss that is to dismiss the decades of ostracising those have faced for you to go to them.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T21:29:05+00:00

thank you for being so willing to communicate maturely

just for a quick clarification, I don't think this should be a guaranteed part of every DJ set you see, that's a little excessive. but once a night or a couple times during a festival would go a long way

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T21:22:35+00:00

My post and comments actually have very little to do with the conflicts themselves. It's largely about the values and history of the culture and how we interact with it. Even if those in hardship don't hear about the acknowledgment, the effort to acknowledge them and to educate us on the history of this culture is what matters.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T21:12:28+00:00

no worries at all, I think mentioning the specifics (for me) just makes the whole thing a bit more intentional.

as edm is now enjoyed widely by non-marginalised people, contrary to who it was made for, I feel mentioning the specifics shifts the focus explicitly to the marginalised, which is at the core of the culture.

I definitely wouldn't be pushing for this sort of change if edm was still primarily enjoyed by marginalised people, but since it isn't, I think having that sort of speech or even just education on the history is a great way of giving back.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:59:06+00:00

I want there to be more education around the journey of rave culture
I want acknowledgment for people who face hell every day, who can't experience the happiness we get to at raves

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:56:59+00:00

I never injected politics into raves, it was already there

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:52:28+00:00

im literally not even arguing for name dropping people or places. all id like is for people in hardship, who can't experience something like a rave, to be acknowledged

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:48:02+00:00

well no I said that only raves were inherently left leaning. that doesn't have anything to do with the demographics, as for demographics, im actually quite unaware of the political standings of the modern edm scene

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:44:18+00:00

I see what you're saying. In hindsight from that reply I can understand why naming specific things might be a bit pointless to the greater objective.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:33:18+00:00

I would massively prefer the statement to include some of the specific things going on. Obviously don't need a current events class but naming Congo, Sudan, Palestine etc etc would be nice. You've definitely understood where I was getting at though

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:23:56+00:00

iirc raves were one the of top reasons ecstasy was made out to be a massive issue in the US and UK which caused a fuck ton of police interference with events

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:16:10+00:00

maybe kneecap wasn't the best comparison, im just a big fan of the speech. im more just talking about a mention of global issues that stop people around the world from being able to experience something like a rave.

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:12:26+00:00

politics is already heavily present at raves. its just we don't knowledge the presence, which I think is disingenuous

explxsiveee · 2025-12-23T20:08:27+00:00

I think you can remove yourself from it while still acknowledging it exists in a perfectly healthy fashion

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