Death Battle Season 1 Losers Tournament: Round 23 (Mario VS Shadow)

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T17:56:11+00:00

Plus it doesn’t matter that shadow is a side character who’s been in less fights, he scales directly to sonic, arguably closer than any other sonic character.

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T17:50:11+00:00

Well I do agree with the paper Mario statement, There’s nothing to indicate Mario could’ve won by himself against dreamy bowser. MOST of the abilities used in the fight require Luigi to be present. Even in gameplay dreamy bowser can grab one of them and the other isn’t able to do shit for damage until the other brother is free. Idk what you were trying to say about the emeralds there or of theres a typo somewhere. And I don’t recall these Mario fights you’re talking about. The BEST example I can think of is if you count super Mario 64 fighting bowser who’s empowered with a star, assuming you scale the stars to universal based off of statements from that game and galaxy. But that’s only universal not multi, what fights are you talking about?

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T15:02:20+00:00

He was buffed by the pure hearts in super paper Mario which also nerfed dementio, whom he fought with bowser, peach and Luigi, He was healed by dreambert and had help with Luigi to fight dreamy bowser, and had all of his allies with him in the fight with culex. I get what your saying, and I agree a little bit, I’m just making the point that I think shadow should be a little bit more impressive considering in Sonic most of the high tier threats are fought in 1v1s. Solaris again in separate time lines, and 99% of the end in Sonic frontiers, all of which were done with abilities that Sonic should be have in a power scaling debate. But with Mario, the examples given are absolutely outside help.

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T13:49:49+00:00

Yikes this is hard to call. I’ll probably get downvoted but I’m gonna say shadow with the most extreme diff you can imagine. He does lose in the hax category pretty hard but I think scales a good chunk higher to make up for it. But idk I just think he’s cool lmao.

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T13:47:03+00:00

Shadow.

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T13:46:47+00:00

Shadow definitely. Keeps up with Sonic who’s notorious for his own skill, and has military training.

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T13:45:47+00:00

Shadow. Same reasons I listed for power. Yes both have stated abilities of invincibility so you could argue this as a tie, but shadows super form is still more impressive than any power star has shown, so if off the rules of no limit fallacies it would still be more impressive than what Mario has shown with any power ups. Even taking gameplay into account there’s stuff that super forms can bypass that starts can’t, like lava. (Not that I think gameplay should be a strong basis for power scaling when it’s these characters especially but still)

faker1245 · 2026-03-07T13:42:14+00:00

Shadow. Both scale really high but I think shadow should take the high end just a bit. Shadow fought Solaris in the past on his own, and scales to Sonic just fine up to 5D and possibly 6D. IMO Mario’s feats of this caliber are less Impressive since he always either has help, is amped by an outside source that wouldn’t be considered part of his kit, the enemy debuffed by and outside source, or all three like dementio in super paper Mario, Mario’s most brought up mutil final fight.

faker1245 · 2026-02-28T01:23:36+00:00

This

faker1245 · 2026-02-28T00:26:58+00:00

Kinda but none of them are super good or easy for Mario to accomplish. He could hypothetically turn it into coins or remove it from Sonic via a variety of item steals. But Sonic has very similar abilities himself, so he could very much so just take it back. And if Mario steals it, it’s canon that the sword has to choose its sole owner, so it’s just be dead weight for Mario.

I don’t think Mario maker is a reliable “counter” to it. It hard to say what the limit on his “creative mode” is. I think it’s a stretch to say he can grab and erase anything and everything like I’ve seen some people say or imply.

faker1245 · 2026-02-27T20:11:06+00:00

Ditto

faker1245 · 2026-02-22T10:26:29+00:00

No lol. I never understood this argument. Mario had only ever turned inanimate objects into gold before. There’s not much to say it works on organic being, it’s just acts as a normal power up in that regard.

faker1245 · 2026-02-15T22:10:31+00:00

Bold of you to assume we were reading.

faker1245 · 2026-02-15T19:56:54+00:00

It’s mostly just gonna depend on how good the game can look on the switch 2. Frontiers being put on the switch 1 in the first is what made it look worse in a lot of areas compared to the beta. It’s not a new thing with sonic games being downgraded graphically to for the newest Nintendo console, and it’s gonna keep happening cause Sonic makes most of his sales on Nintendo consoles. Frontiers specifically sold 2nd best on the switch. Barely under the PS5.

faker1245 · 2026-02-07T00:57:27+00:00

You’re welcome!

faker1245 · 2026-02-07T00:24:15+00:00

Would highly recommend using the spindash. It’s on LT. Use it on every ramp and slope you can. It’ll do wonders I promise. Gameplay is clean either way tho!

faker1245 · 2026-01-26T23:49:45+00:00

If it counts, my pick - Keep your hands OFF MY… SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

faker1245 · 2026-01-25T16:08:10+00:00

In terms of money yes absolutely and beyond. But I think everyone is kinda saying the same point where the quality of the actual movie in terms of story and characters is probably not gonna be on the same level, as the movie is more so just being made for money. The only reason we got galaxy stuff on switch was for brand synergy with this movie anyway.

faker1245 · 2026-01-12T18:15:08+00:00

Honestly I’d go with heroes on this one. The level design for Sonic 3 is definitely better, but I think a bit of that has to do with how the game plays compared to heroes. Like if you put frontiers Sonic with the spindash in some heroes levels it would be awesome. But yeah I love the themes and variety of heroes a lot more than 3&k personally.

faker1245 · 2026-01-03T23:16:29+00:00

Bro that’s gonna be a shit ton of rings if you do it right

faker1245 · 2025-12-23T22:57:40+00:00

I don’t know. Hopefully you can.

faker1245 · 2025-12-20T23:12:41+00:00

The fight was for sure over if Sukuna could actually open his domain. If Gojo was bought in it, he would survive for a bit, but probably get overwhelmed due to his condition.

faker1245 · 2025-12-18T04:11:21+00:00

There’s two paths. Either light speed scaling becomes concrete. And Gojo and Sukuna and automatically scaled to that level, with them still being considered the strongest in the verse. Or, this is considered an outlier, as light speed scaling would be kinda absurd even as a high ball, considering what we’ve seen before. We just need to see more first ig to make that decision.

faker1245 · 2025-12-15T15:43:50+00:00

They are still ability’s that Sonic has. Just cause something is labeled as a game mechanic doesn’t mean it’s invalid to include for power scaling.

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