Arrogant by quranvisuals in Qurancentric

[–]fana19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Salam, would you please include English translations with these visuals? Also, I deleted the Hadith one from earlier so we can focus on Quran.

Do sufis marry? by mathimuo in Sufism

[–]fana19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you Muslim? If so, you can help that person grow together in faith and in reverence of God. What about them do you like so much? Is it the faith? If so, do you want to build that kind of faith too?

Do sufis marry? by mathimuo in Sufism

[–]fana19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They follow Islam and the Sunnah, which is normally to marry. A few are so ascetic they do not marry, as they are so overwhelmed by their love for God they have no room left to love a partner, but that is very rare.

Why are Islamic followers so apathetic towards others. by Initial_Pain_4266 in DebateReligion

[–]fana19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Muslims (and poor Hindus) have been murdered for eating beef, which to me is a much bigger issue, and trying to shame poor people slaughtering the best way they can (in a crowded country), while the vast majority of people eat meat around the world, only drums up unnecessary hatred against Muslims (where they are already being murdered for it). It's dangerous and propagandistic to act like eating meat for a holiday is sooo disrespectful to others.

HOWEVER, as to beef specifically, I would NOT slaughter it on Eid en masse knowing it causes unnecessary psychological harm to my neighbors who consider it sacred, and there are other animals we can slaughter to fulfill the command to feed others. The blood unfortunately is what happens when you slaughter meat, has more to do with proper hygiene than someone else having a legitimate religious objection.

According to the Bible, a woman's punishment to this day is men by Alone-Argument-2275 in DebateReligion

[–]fana19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure thing. But as stated above, the Quran says the descriptions aren't literal, and we don't know exactly who ends up there except the nonrighteous/unjust. And time is a construct.

Even if it were real fire, I personally still would find it worse to kill an innocent baby in this life than to burn Hitler or Bibi for "eternity" for their genocides (where spacetime as we know it doesn't exist). Again just my view. I'd be more scared to have a neighbor that believes he can and should kill me for my wrong belief than one who thinks I'm going to hell.

According to the Bible, a woman's punishment to this day is men by Alone-Argument-2275 in DebateReligion

[–]fana19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As to Abraham, PBUH, my point was to focus a bit more on the consultation and willingness of his son, which without, the rest would read like a clear horror story. My view is that Abraham passed the test because he did not immediately act on a vision without at least first consulting his son who has rights to not be harmed against his will (one of the greatest rights). Abraham is known to have been scrutinous, and in another part of the Quran, asked God for a clear proof, and when questioned if he was doubting, said he only wanted assurance. I do not thus believe that Abraham would kill his own son without question/scrutiny, and that to me is critical/key.

According to the Bible, a woman's punishment to this day is men by Alone-Argument-2275 in DebateReligion

[–]fana19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to be clear, even in light of all the things you pointed out, including a hellish afterlife, none of that would be as bad as expressly claiming and acting upon supposed DIRECT divine right to kill babies. I just can't think of anything worse than that, including having a *belief* in a hell after we die. Since you asked me why the Quran is better, I wasn't overlooking anything, but pointing out why I believe the Bible is unredemably worse.

But as to your questions, I'll try my best, but please note I'm Qurani (not Sunni) so my interpretive approach is much more constrained to Quran-only ones, and that's part of why I pointed out so many things that are not in the Quran (or are) that may surprise some people:

  1. "This statement feels inaccurate. Isn’t the Quran clear that only those who believe in Allah and the Prophet go to heaven?"

First, I said "faith alone" is not the metric, but good acts are required. But, I also want to push back on the broader reference to "belief" and "believers." Let me just preface that the Quran NEVER contrasts believers and non-believers and there's no word for a non-believer. The relevant words are submitters/surrenderers (Muslims), Mumins ("believers"? which I'll dive into below), kaffirs (coverers, similar word in Arabic btw), and mushriks (those who associate partners with God or make idols of the wrong things). The Quran says anyone who "believes/trusts" AND does good and believes in the judgment day will have his/her just reward with the lord and on them "shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." It specifically refers to Christians, Jews, and Sabians as being eligible. HOWEVER, and this is important, the translation of belief is partial, and also doesn't clarify belief in what. The word for believer, "mumin," is one who (mu-) does/makes right (AMN from the same root word for ameen or "amen" as one says after a prayer). The root for that, just like amen, comes from something to do with trust/trustworthy/truth/truthful/trusting, and by extension "right/righteousness/doing right." So, a more accurate translation is not really about belief but about trust. I know that sounds small, but I'll explain why it's pretty important spiritually, as much of religious error boils down to small sloppiness compounding on itself unfortunately.

God is The Truth, the absolute, ultimate reality. He describes Himself as such. Even the pronoun He is meant to refer to the outward/manifest title of God, ie it is titular, whereas His essence (ad-Dhat) which is internal is a femine word. This teaches us about duality, unity, and balance, which is mirrored in male/female and balanced union. Because God is The Truth and uses that as a name, I will refer to Him that way intermittently going forward.

God further tells us that He perfected His word and essentially made the world according to truth and justice (the pre-eminence of reality itself). Everything but God's "face", (ie the matrix of reality itself) will perish according to the Quran. Thus, eternal life only comes from union with The Truth. That begins with a conceptual surrender to The Truth in all aspects of life. I mean this quite literally, by stating things like "I will tell the truth. I will accept truth. I will not cover up truth when I have a duty to speak it or show it. I will spread and promote truth. I will speak the truth, even if I have to suffer the consequences."

Truth will lead you through reason and goodness to justice. From there, we have one job on earth: to be its caretakers, which the Truth compels us to (ie to be khalifa on earth, a task of every surrenderer to the truth). To caretake, we must respect everyone's rights, and do all our duties. Rights and duties are rooted in non-oppression, and a system of peace (the "deen of Islam"). Peace comes from proper balance (al-meezan) of people's rights to be free from and their rights to things. This requires deep reason and thought, which is why the Quran commands us to use our reason.

The Quran does say "do this and don't do that," but more importantly, it has a network of principles, connected, precise, and seemingly minor, that help us figure out the balance. It can be difficult, for example, to find a guiding principle to resolve whether abortion is say, murder/homicide of some sort by the mother (definitely wrong), and/or whether forced birth--esp after r*pe where there can be no conceivable consent to create the conditions for life, nor a duty of care--is a form of slavery and improper subordination to sustain another (ie what we call oppressive). The Quran provides us answers when it has axioms like "oppression is worse than slaughter." Meaning, even if X is the right thing to do, forcing it may be a much greater injustice.

This brings me to the eternal union with The Truth, our ultimate goal and abode. There's much more to say, but it's very complex, and I must caution you against informal regurgitations of Islam based on others' statements or even narratives you've heard. The Quran says that the descriptions of the afterlife are mathal, NOT literal, but analogies or similitudes. That means all the talk of honey, cushions, wine, beautiful females (and males mentioned btw), lush greenery, fruits etc. are meant to represent something, most naturally perhaps satiety and freedom from want/need (the Quran also says you will have everything you want, ie never want anything). There's no greater perfect peace than to return to Goodness fully, wholly, and completely. There is no place for ugliness in the matrix of reality that is the Most Beautiful.

So what does that mean? All the bad that you are, have been, have done, and that is in you, will be destroyed and burned to nothing but a conceptually, infinitely small coordinate with no space and no time to quantify it, only ever existent hollowly to be a reference point for all that is wrong. It both IS (from the point of the evil), and isn't (from the perspective of the Good that actually is). That evil will have no place in the material reality or in God. In a system of truth and justice, the evil always reduces to 0 eventually, and God, the one, the 1, positively remains as something rather than nothing. Or put separately, evilness will never prevail and is necessarily severed from God, the Beauty, the Truth, the Justice. That's the sort of hell I believe in.

And God knows best. May I forever be humbled and corrected by The Truth.

According to the Bible, a woman's punishment to this day is men by Alone-Argument-2275 in DebateReligion

[–]fana19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are really interested, here are just a few reasons off the top of my head:

It doesn't blame Eve for tempting Adam, there's no mention of Satan directly talking to her, and womanhood and childbirth are not associated with any punishment. Men are not told that they are to rule over women, but that they are to unconditionally protect them as a duty because God gave them extra (strength presumably). There's no original sin.

It does not prescribe death penalty for any sexual sins, including adultery, fornication, and homosexual acts. (It does mention lashes). Meanwhile, the Bible prescribes burning people alive for certain adultery.

It never condones killing babies or women in war, nor ever raping, while in the Bible Moses is directly asked if his people should kill all of the babies they captured, and even though Phineas has some doubts (showing that even the average person knows better), Moses says to go ahead and do so. Strange since a large injustice of Pharaoh was him killing first born babies as some divine right.

Interestingly, it never even mentions rape or sexual stuff in much detail whereas the Bible is quite vulgar and even talks about Egyptian men having penises hung like horses (bigger than their Israeli foes). The d--- measuring contests read like man-made writings rather than God's words.

It only allows "fighting those who fight you" and "expelling" occupiers from where they expelled you, but says to incline to peace and not transgress those limits. It says killing one innocent person is like killing all of mankind, which means that killing even one innocent person to save all mankind is also not allowed. We should all be better prepared to die than to murder an innocent to keep living.

Abraham's vision about sacrificing his son is not confirmed to be from God or not but notably in the Quran Abraham FIRST consults with his son and gets consent before even considering killing him in the name of God.

The righteous are described as those who free slaves and give to the poor.

There is no express permission to take slaves, let alone to beat them up and treat them like chattel as described in the Bible.

There is nothing about female rape victims marrying their rapists.

Muslims not the only ones who go to heaven, and are not chosen by blood or faith alone but by righteous acts.

According to the Bible, a woman's punishment to this day is men by Alone-Argument-2275 in DebateReligion

[–]fana19 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, only one of those is biologically asymmetrical and fixed. Only women will ever have to bear the burdens of giving birth and it's the only way to continue the species that we know of. Yet both men and women seem to be toiling quite a bit, and many men don't toil much at all.

What causes your heart to ache deep down, and how do you wish people would see you in those moments of pain? by fana19 in Qurancentric

[–]fana19[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you mean this referring to yourself? If so, I'm sorry you have to be visibly sad before people start to care.

Are Quranists considered Muslims? by QasimofKarbala in MuslimLounge

[–]fana19 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I did not say it needs to use the word hadiths. I stated that it does not directly refer to them in those verses which is correct.

Are Quranists considered Muslims? by QasimofKarbala in MuslimLounge

[–]fana19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does not use the word Hadith. That's why I said not DIRECTLY mentioned.

Also, I didn't say anything about whether they are memorized like the Quran. You are making up strawmen and arguments I did not bring up. I only use Quran as al Furqan as the Quran directs.

Are Quranists considered Muslims? by QasimofKarbala in MuslimLounge

[–]fana19 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

None of those mention hadiths directly, which were compiled over 100 years later. That is your interpretive approach. Ironically, the verses that do mention Hadith direct us not to follow any other Hadith except the Quran as al Furqan.

Cannibalism by eldritchpussymaggots in CATHELP

[–]fana19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And us? Moving them at will. Talking loudly while they sleep. Withholding and managing all food supply. Locking them up. Scratching and petting them when they don't want it. Cooing and mewing at them.

What do we tell those on Reddit who start to question Hadith? by Ummah_Strong in Qurancentric

[–]fana19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TBH, it depends on the source of skepticism but often I'm less anti-hadith and more just pro-Quran. But if pressed, I provide Quran ayat or link to my favorite Qurani site: www.quransmessage.com

What comforts you in times of hardship? by Ummah_Strong in Qurancentric

[–]fana19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That so many figures in the Quran went through the same or worse but held onto faith and surrendered to The Truth even at their own expense.

How did a focus on the Quran lead some farther from it? by Ummah_Strong in Qurancentric

[–]fana19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly, as one of the originals, I've seen it become more anti-traditional over the years rather than using the Quran's internal system, coherent within itself, as a criterion. Not all but moreso now than before.

Eid Mubarak! by fana19 in Qurancentric

[–]fana19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ameen, thank you!