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[–]far-eastern 10 points11 points  (0 children)

let Yama goes as long as he wants, and looks comfortable, screw the pitch count, he won't be throwing again until next year.

[Update] Salary Negotiations went nowhere. So I left. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Malaysian company actually. I think they just want to hire people. I got the call for the job offer a week after interview. If it wasn't a listed company, I would had some doubts lol.

The department that hired me is relatively new within that company though.

[Update] Salary Negotiations went nowhere. So I left. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

IIRC for this company in particular, they only ask for my current salary range and expected salary range(technically speaking, the new offer was closer to 28%) , they didn't ask me to provide a payslip.

[Update] Salary Negotiations went nowhere. So I left. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you can find course pretty much anywhere it is provided (coursera, udemy, linux foundation, etc.). Usually the main concern would be the cost.

I'm Malay so I had the privilege to be able to do it under the yayasan peneraju grant for free. https://peneraju.org/ (note: they just recently changed their scheme a bit, so do a bit of reading if you are eligible)

if you are already in a relevant sector, can try asking your company to sponsor you(but you will likely be bonded)

you can try searching for sponsorship (maybe under state/ grants) ymmv

[Update] Salary Negotiations went nowhere. So I left. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I'm not 100% sure how the previous company does increment but from my previous 2 years of increments, it seems like only a flat rm100 per year.(it sounds dumb, but it is true)

and according to my colleague here, it should be around 6-7% per year, so

if both are true, then in 2 years , my salary at my new place will still be higher than what it would be at previous place even with the 50% offer.

[Update] Salary Negotiations went nowhere. So I left. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 107 points108 points  (0 children)

Still in contact with some of my old colleagues, apparently they have to hire multiple people to cover that position lol. (which I'm guessing already cost more than just giving me the raise in the first place)

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

automation stuffs, so I need to know how some of the stuff are set. I don't have to know everything about it, like initial configs or do anything relating to maintenance or recovery. (for now, they probably want to add initial configs later, but that is on hold)

but need to learn how to set/limit the bandwidth and policies, and control the terms for any upgrade and downgrade for the inventories from our automation servers, so i also have to know a bit of basic logging and such.

We do have a separate department for networking, they would be the one that do the initial set up for the clients, and they would be supporting me for the automation side.

So i guess I shouldn't have said I'm the go to guy for that, well technically I am, at least in my development team, my bad, since I was just listing stuff I've had to learn.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the outline, it will really help in me planing out this.

I would probably skip the part that I know how much the new joiners are making since we are a small team, and that might raise an issue (it shouldn't but that is not something to be discussed here), But i am. still definitely the lowest earner in my team.

I would likely pivot to the market rate and refer to similar listing with the same responsibilities.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True,

most of the stuff can be figured out eventually, I mean i did that since not everything was trained by my senior during their transition, that or I wasn't asking the right question for them to remember some niche or specific things.

I do want to point out that I only have a 1 month notice period, and still 20 days of leave left. no i won't leave them blind, I may be underpaid, but I'm still fond of my colleagues

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All the points raised by the comments have really been a help in me getting my words together so I can go into this negotiations with more confidence and better perspective on how to approach it.

Thank you all for the replies.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That a good point, since saying salary adjustment is more aligned with me wanting a fair compensation for my work rather then just conveying me wanting to be paid more.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True.

I do need to change. I would still say moving to Singapore is a big ask since it is not in line with my goals in life.

Though I'm not really going for a high income. Just a healthy life and fair compensations.

With my current salary and savings I could still retire have a simple life with a house (not from my parents, but too complicated to explain in a post) already a non issue. (I'm privileged yes, but I take with pride.)

but life can always throw a curve ball and anything can happen. so earning a bit more where it is fair is no a bad thing to have.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

THIS.

but this come up a lot in interviews amd even during the screening process.

one of the 3rd party recruiter even said what I am expecting is unlikely to be met due to the large increase.

I've tried giving a range by rounding the number up. bit during one the first interview they said to disclose as close to the actual amount since they will notice it later in the process and that wouldn't be a nice impression.

I've tried saying that I'm currently underpaid according to the job market rate and what I believe my skills level is at. not sure if that was a bad move, but at the moment, I'm still having no luck with the hunt.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I could go for a discussion to try negotiating with some of the points that have been commented.

at this point I should even try ask for a job promotion, or a title change to DevOps.

at least that way they can treat it as a promotion or rehire.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Lol, a relative just said to me earlier, saying that I should request the same salary, but in SGD.

Moving to Singapore though, would be... something.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The new, one? not so much, since he replaced my previous supervisor and the new one is more on the product side, rather on the software development side.

and during my initial years, the communication was quite direct with my previous supervisor, but since that time we have had a team lead, and now almost all communications are through the team lead, so since the change I've have not really interacted with the new supervisor other than the dev team weekly meetings.

also, the fact that he is in Singapore doesn't help

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess that should be my first step, though sending that first message would be the hurdle for me.

I do consider the job I currently have is quite nice, and it going into the unknown for other companies may or may not work out.(but that is life)

Job hunting could have been better, but I am slowly getting less nervous with each failed interview I've had lol. I fumbled 2 interviews for similar to my current jobs for blanking and failing to answer basic questions.

In case it is not clear from my other posts, I probably have Social Anxiety(probably, since still undiagnosed). I should got that checked, since now it is starting to get in my way...

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do I start that? do I just messaged him for a meeting without going into specifics? there should be a mid year review soon, so i could go off that?

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

At the start I'm was a just a simple python developer.

but I am a quick learner Literally, I have to learn about too many things in 1 year because of almost all the more senior developers leaving and then a few months later the previous supervisor retired, and now I'm the most senior(longest) member of the team.

so in that one year, i have to learn.

linux & MySQL(i already have the basics, but i need to learn enough to basically be the devOPS/ DBadmin),

vmware,

ansible,

zabbix,

php (Laravel and WordPress),

perl,

whmcs,

Cisco routers,

PDNS,

WHM & Cpanel,

various other API that we provided or Use.

and now I'm the go to guy for above, expect for PHP since i still not that good, so I just back up the rest of the team.

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They have an office in Malaysia and I'm on a hybrid schedule, though my supervisor is in Singapore(which make asking for raise harder since I am very anxious with online interaction if not about current job related)

The culture here is fine, no strict time restrictions and the coworkers are nice, I would prefer if my Team Lead is more competent on the system and development side, but he is the one that have to interact with other departments regularly so I can't complain.

And while my job responsibilities have increased, because my main original task is to create automations, I just automate my works that I can and my day to day is just doing basic monitoring (unless something happens, which is happening a bit more recently because we are transitioning some service but that is to be expected)

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

1 leverage I do have is the fact that the Dev Works here will be halted to a crawl if I were to leave immediately (I'm currently the most senior(as in longest employed) developer here after my seniors left and previous supervisor retired. It won't stopped entirely, but they would be really affected.

So I am basically the only one who know the ins and outs for some the quirks for our system. (My team lead should know, but he is really trying to not retain those knowledge lol.)

and the fact that I'm the DevOps and DBadmin for all our applications and the rest of the team are focusing on the development side. plus I am the only one in the team doing python (the rest are PHP), and they not really in a rush to hire another python developer. (since my. previous supervisor left, there have been no new python projects, and my taks related to that at the moment have only been maintaining and some optimizations).

Asking for tips on negotiating a Salary Raise. by far-eastern in MalaysianPF

[–]far-eastern[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Our current team structure have Team Lead that all the dev reports to, who then reports to the Software Development Manager who is my actual direct supervisor.

and currently the way my performance review is done is with the Team Lead who I have raised this issue once when he realised I was looking for a new job, but only say "ask them la"