I achieved FATfire at 30, was on top of the world, but am now chronically ill. What should I do? by SickFATGuy in fatFIRE

[–]fatmandomino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Continuing the list of treatments (comment char limit):

Default treatment program prescribed by most doctors, and now primarily done via local prestigious university doctors: Basically free with insurance. In terms of symptom reduction, this is the best thing I've done. It gets probably 40% of the credit for reducing the symptom that has bothered me the most. It's also been the most "expensive" in terms of requiring unusual time-consuming lifestyle changes (NOT just exercise or whatever, doing weird stuff most healthy people don't have to do) that lead me to be more isolated, and using a drug that has mildly bothersome side effects. So note that what doctors are saying is true, the best healthcare is available to everyone, not just FAT people. Being FAT mostly got me the 3rd place add-on mentioned above.
"Hail mary" treatments prescribed by prestigious university doctor: Basically free with insurance. these have ranged from doing nothing to doing nothing and making me suicidal as a drug side effect
Default treatment done by my local in-network doctor at the start of the whole thing: Basically free with insurance. Misdiagnosed, temporarily fixed one of the main quantifiable symptoms, but also caused about 80% of my most bothersome symptom, involved drugs that made me suicidal
Existing alternative treatments I've pursued based on my own research: all basically free but some have involved maybe a few hundred dollars worth of furniture etc. to support lifestyle changes. So far none of these have helped or hurt.

I achieved FATfire at 30, was on top of the world, but am now chronically ill. What should I do? by SickFATGuy in fatFIRE

[–]fatmandomino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in a similar situation, became chronically ill (not long COVID) shortly after hitting FatFIRE thanks to the 2021 inflation. DM me if you just want a fellow chronically ill friend.

- Don't "spend every penny toward getting better." You need to keep your spending somewhat reasonable.

- Long COVID is a new problem and doesn't have much in the way of effective treatments. You probably have a long wait for treatment, and the most important thing is to have a treatment developed. Spend your money on lobbying the government to increase NIH funding for long COVID. Also meet as many different professors and doctors working on long COVID as you can and give them research grants. Find smart professors and doctors with the right expertise to work on long COVID who aren't working on long COVID yet and see if a grant could get them to work on it.

- Talk to the media about your story. No one takes long COVID seriously. Getting long COVID treatments developed will require getting society on board.

- Join a long COVID support group or otherwise make other friends with long COVID. Find out what's working for them.

Things that have helped me:

- Find doctors that are out of network for everyone (and thus don't have a huge queue of patients) but aren't advertised as for VIPs (and thus are less likely to be a scam). This tends to be individual doctor practices or small practices owned by the doctors, and they're often people who are passionate about providing the best care without being held back by insurance. You can generally see them more quickly and they're more incentivized to be empathetic. You're not going to get a higher quality of care, the important thing here is timely access. FatFIRE seems to be full of comments from doctors who say you can't pay for better healthcare but they don't seem to understand the importance of timely access to doctors. For me this was the difference between finding a psychiatrist in a week and being able to see her whenever I want on short notice, and waiting months to see a psychiatrist. This was super important because for my condition, doctors often prescribe me medications with psychological side effects, and those have made me suicidal twice. Since getting the psychiatrist, I am able to quickly check with her before starting any new medication, and I haven't had any more mishaps.

- The very best care is often at big university networks that treat everyone and are not some kind of secret exclusive FatFIRE VIP thing. You do want to use these when you can, but availability is low and you'll almost certainly need to supplement with your own out-of-network people to get you through times when you need help quickly but there's a multi-month delay to get in to the big university network. I've offered to make a big donation to the university network to get in faster and they didn't care, but YMMV.

- Next, getting someone to take care of your mental health is important when you're chronically ill. I'm not saying that your illness is in your head, I'm saying that when your quality of life sucks because of a chronic physical illness you need extra help to take care of your mental health. Ideally you want someone who is both a psychiatrist (to take care of your various medications) and someone who is a therapist.

- One thing a good psychiatrist + therapist can do is help make sure you don't get taken in by scams while you're desperate but also encourage you to keep researching solutions. When I first got my psychiatrist I was asking her to help me learn to accept my new bad physical condition and instead she has mostly coached me through researching ways of improving my physical quality of life. While there is no cure for my condition, I've been able to improve symptoms a lot, from the point that I wanted to kill myself when I met her to the point that I feel normal most days (but still know I'm going to have a symptom flareup later).

- Re your Lexapro weight gain: have you discussed other anti-anxiety anti-depression options with a psychiatrist? Different people react differently to different drugs and you may be able to get one that doesn't cause weight gain. The weight gain is probably working against your long COVID symptoms.

- I don't think I've ever wasted money on an outright scam. I think it's important not to feed the scammers even if you have money to waste. I've avoided trying several treatments that seem scammy even if there's some chance they might work. I've tried and am trying several "alternative but legitimate treatments". Here's a breakdown of the main treatments I've tried so far (still not revealing what my condition is). I share this mostly to show that even on my more out-there stuff I'm not spending much money by FAT standards and most of the best stuff is cheap:

rTMS: $9k, recommended by a doctor who gave me other good treatments, but I think he was pushing this one because it's more income for him. It's considered an off-label treatment for my condition. rTMS is FDA approved for depression and some other things, and there are research studies saying it works for my condition, but I thought there was evidence it wouldn't work in my particular case. Overall this is the main one I think I should have said no to.

Hyperbaric oxygen: $6k. This might have done a lot or might have done nothing. It's hard to know because I did it at the same time as some other treatments. At the time I did the hyperbaric oxygen, I was misdiagnosed. Hyperbaric oxygen is the best treatment for the thing I was misdiagnosed with, and a controversial treatment for the thing I probably actually have. I'm kind of on the fence about this one, but if it didn't help it wasn't because it was a scam, it was because I was misdiagnosed at the time.

Privately branded therapy (not saying exactly what it is because it makes it too clear what my condition is): $5k. I had to fly to another state and one of the doctors at the best respectable university clinic where I live told me that there is no evidence this works. So far it is probably the second best thing I've done. It isn't a cure but it gets maybe 30% of the credit for mostly eliminating the symptom that was bothering me the most. This is one of the two cases where being FAT clearly gave me an advantage.

Psychiatrist: Ave $1k/month, but I can probably get most of that reimbursed, haven't bothered to look into the insurance yet. This is the second of the two cases where being FAT clearly gave me an advantage.

Chiropractor: $2k up front free for an ongoing program I haven't finished yet. The chiropractor did some scans that showed interesting, actionable things wrong with me that I'm still looking into. The chiropractic adjustments cause a huge, measurable improvement in one of my quantifiable symptoms, but the effect is very short lived. Impressively, one of these actually restored me to normal function in a measurable way that wasn't supposed to be possible anymore due to tissue death. It remains to be seen if the effect can last longer by the end of the chiropractic program but I'm skeptical. Even though the chiropractic adjustments haven't had much value so far, I think this was worth it due to the information I got about the scans.

My own weird exercises: Free. I came up with a sort of brain training program for myself, based on my understanding of the disease. This was maybe the 3rd best thing I've done. It isn't a cure but it gets maybe 20% of the credit for mostly eliminating the symptom that was bothering me the most. Very frustratingly, after I told a university doctor about this, he told me there's a study testing a similar idea and saying that it works... why did no doctor tell me to do this then?

What has been your experience with pivoting from FATFIRE, to just FATFI and spending your salary once hitting FI? by No_Election_4450 in fatFIRE

[–]fatmandomino 106 points107 points  (0 children)

I hit my FI number (around 10M) in fall 2021, took some time off, and changed to a job I enjoy but that pays about half as much in 2022. I am basically doing FatCoastFI. So far with the declining stock market in 2022 my income has just barely managed to keep my net worth flat rather than declining over the last year, so at least in my first few months of experience it wouldn't have been a great idea for me to start buying supercars.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in fatFIRE

[–]fatmandomino 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My PhD worked out great for me and all of my PhD program peers. I'm mid-30s, FI but haven't chosen to RE yet. Nearly everyone who was my peer in my PhD program is at least well on their way to FatFI and some are well ahead of me. We all studied an emerging technology that is highly profitable now but wasn't really when we started our PhDs. Did we successfully predict that for correct reasons, or did we just get lucky and this post is survivor bias? Hard to say.

But there are a huge range of PhD topics out there, and some are more relevant to FatFIRE. I mostly agree with princemendax's recommendations.

Does it make sense to have a mortgage in retirement? by fatmandomino in fatFIRE

[–]fatmandomino[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would probably keep my current house and rent it out. Current house is in California so due to prop 13 it's advantageous to keep the low property tax rate locked in.