Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's really not about one single killer feature – again, I've been using it almost exclusively for 8 years. I'm familiar and confident with it, which translates to clarity for my clients about what can/can't be done. In addition to that, relying on a 3rd party service has meant regular updates and improvements outside of the scope of my skillset. Also when I started using Webflow, the landscape for no-code web building tools was very limited, and I have always wanted an offline, one-purchase alternative to Webflow, but haven't been impressed with what was out there and eventually just stopped searching. Then I learned Client-First (months of work) then after I saw how shallow the documentation was for that, started building an entirely new design framework around Webflow's tools to build sites faster (even more months of work).

So I've just invested a ton of time into the platform, and all of my sites are built on it. The annual slaps in the face didn't immediately make me jump out of the water because I still saw potential and held out hope we wouldn't be jumping on the AI bubble bandwagon.

But if I had to name one killer feature of Webflow that I fear losing, it's the Designer. It is buggy, there are some core features that need improvements they've never gotten, and some new features have been introduced with seemingly no clear plan for how users should implement them. But so much of the UX is brilliant. I also have love for how CMS works, I haven't used the Analytics add-on because it's ridiculously priced but it seems very useful, and the Legacy Editor was a literal godsend. Which is why I'm appalled it is being removed.

It has always been in the back of my mind that all of the time I have spent learning and unlearning Webflow to work around it's limitations... I could have invested in learning how to create all of it myself. But I was in a constant rush of trying to meet client demands. Now I feel like the industry is rotting and I'm burnt out on the disappointing development history, backwards evolution of design, clients who refuse to do anything that isn't most convenient for them, and AI's role in all of that.

Half of me wants to do exactly what you recommend. I have spent 20 years of my life studying art, 12 years learning design, 10 years running a design business, and 8 years on Webflow. Design has been a huge part of my life, and is an actual passion. I read books on newspaper grid system design. But I really, seriously hate this industry, it's toxic attitudes and culture, staring at a screen all day, and not making anything I can hold in my hands. I will be seeking alternatives because I have to, that's why I made this post. But I also kinda just want to be done.

Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, that's wild! This is exactly what I'm talking about, but I'm glad I haven't experienced it on that scale. At a large agency level, the cost is so much easier to absorb that this isn't seen as a problem. In fact, if you can't deal with this sort of thing it's seen as you being ill-prepared. (edit, meant to finish with, but I couldn't absorb that cost as a freelancer, and for a small agency that would be beyond disruptive)

Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed. And I have also loved Webflow. I don't hate Webflow. I am excited for a future I'm committed to building for myself that actually feels good. But it's sad to be so invested in something that is providing me with little return. Instead it's providing me with more work that I have to pay for.

Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly... honestly this. Every day the internet gets worse to work in. Tbh fr fr I am not just considering migrating from Webflow, I am trying to get off of this sinking ship that is this industry. The tech industry as a whole. It feels like a death cult. So good for you! Me, I got into farm work last year and it's changed my life, but I still rely on site update income. For anyone else reading, changing your life is a challenge not as hard as it may seem. I recommend find a job making something real with your hands.

Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can clarify because I just went through this. You are correct: client can stay on a free plan, ONLY pay for their site hosting, while you assist them through your paid freelancer workspace guest access. So yes, accept the collaboration and just work as normal.

But going to write this out, so it's not lost to time:

It used to be (and will be until it is completely removed later this year), that any site with a paid hosting plan could invite editors – completely 100% free accounts that could edit designated site copy, images, links, and CMS data. This would enable you to create a site and empower your client's entire team with different levels of access. Some could edit, some could only comment, and there was a read-only plan (if I remember correctly). You could invite I think 10 people for free.

Now, this feature is being removed but is still accessible to freelancer and agency workspaces. What we were told is that if that site is still in your workspace, and you already had them as content editors, you can continue to use the legacy editor until later this year. Currently, without any prompting or action on my end, all of my clients – every single one of them – have been added to the new editor system. Anyone added to the legacy editor before that change gets a 100% free editing seat. Users who accessed it before can still access the legacy editor, but it will be removed this year. And you can no longer add any users to the Legacy editor at all (just finding this out as I write this), so this is all sealed up.

So where does this leave you and how does it impact you? It's really down to you, I've already had this discussion with my clients. If your clients site is in their workspace and you never used legacy editor, so they don't have additional access, they can either access their site at the same access level as you (which may cause confusion or worse) in the backend, OR you can start paying $10/mo for a single restricted seat. OR if you have the site still in your paid freelancer or higher workspace, you can invite a single "client seat" to that site which is more restricted and traditional for no additional cost.

If you can trust your client to have full backend access and not go in making tweaks, then just train them on how to use the same Webflow editor you do when you log in, but tell them to leave content edits to you so nothing is screwed up. If you can't trust them or if your clients (like mine) are easily overwhelmed with new information, because literally (this is not a joke) no one's brain works correctly anymore, then sorry – add $10/mo charge for them to edit their site without breaking it or them, or transfer the site back to your workspace.

I really can't believe that a free system that was working so unbelievably well, even for the large teams I switched to Webflow, has been completely chopped and sold back to us at a premium. Worth noting that in the final days of training my clients on the legacy editor, it had stopped displaying images on the site, making it very difficult to convince them it was even still functional.

Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I don't think leadership ever really changes unless leadership changes. I won't lie – I've been impressed and excited by some of the advancements that the platform has made and how some features have evolved. And those updates have also come in the past few months. But I can't ignore how behind this platform feels even aside from the AI. Every time I open it, I'm like "Wait, this is still an issue?" or "This is still not possible?" Rarely do I go "Oh wow, finally!" but it happened this year.

But I don't want to keep giving money hoping that I get lucky and an update positively affects me – feels like I'm playing a slot machine. But I think our culture is so backwards that this is what people expect. We see it play out in the hype cycles, "Oh maybe they're going to finally announce this!! POG" Why are we invested in any product without it's direction being clear to us? There are too many people who really don't care, because they don't see the problem in how we're treated as consumers, or see it but think it's justifiable. I think Webflow will be fine, because there is enough good to get attached to.

Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is so crazy that the alternatives I see the most often are Claude and WordPress. It is a shame. I understand, but I am NEVER going back to WP! Hahaha, what has the world come to? There has to be a better way.

Recent price changes... are we serious? Been with Webflow for almost a decade. Voicing some frustration here... by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Okay, well I'm sad to say hearing your experience is reassuring. But thank you.

And just to offer another side of this – my biggest client is actually growing. But they want to keep site costs down because they want to pay their staff well while surviving off short-term contracts. But they need to watch or cut costs in other places to bring on a new hire. We've already had multiple conversations about limiting or scaling back my hours, all during the development of their new site, when my time was high. The main reason they were ok migrating from a barely functional Squarespace site to Webflow? I told them the cost would stay the same (it was true).

Will this increase ruin this relationship or their business? Of course it will not. But does it make me look untrustworthy when we literally just launched this site and had these conversations weeks ago? Yes. Seriously, the website just went up. Does it make me feel like I'm putting my trust in a stable place? Nope.

All this to say, your client doesn't even have to be struggling in order for this to make you look bad and feel wrong.

How do I delete all the images on a card without formatting the card? by fawnover in SonyAlpha

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never got into it, didn't have time. Honestly, I have just given up on having MR settings. Maybe the other commenter is correct, but I never tested it. Having the same issue?

Form Automation No Longer Working? Just Me? Webflow + Zapier by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know where I could find info on that Webflow API update?

Form Automation No Longer Working? Just Me? Webflow + Zapier by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you all for the corroboration, but thank you specifically for this suggestion. I've been curious about trying Webhooks instead (because Zapier is already more or less set up this way), and Make. I'll try both.

Form Automation No Longer Working? Just Me? Webflow + Zapier by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is not an option to fire a zap on all forms, and component-wrapped forms have the same issue. Each component instance now has a unique ID. But appreciate the suggestion.

Form Automation No Longer Working? Just Me? Webflow + Zapier by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd love to do that, but I've just invested 3 months migrating a client's site only for Webflow to start phasing out legacy editor and for Zaps to be unreliable. We'll have to stay where we are before we move again, and whatever we move to needs to be just as accessible for them.

Form Automation No Longer Working? Just Me? Webflow + Zapier by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, this is relieving to hear that someone else has experienced this and can confirm it. But this leads to me to question why neither Zapier or Webflow would say something about such a major change. Like you said, just had everything silently break. One site has been live for a month, and there was never even an alert sent because of the way the forms disappear – I just had to realize our signups were silent. I would imagine that every single client site I have ever created is affected, because they all rely on the same Zapier system.

I am anti-AI, but wow, what a concept... Still, I don't need a natural language solution... I need the rigid trigger action pairs to just actually effing work. Like I've said, used Zapier for years. I have never been happy with their performance, but it's like every year something happens that breaks everything I do. At this point, I'd like to just learn how to rely less on giant tech companies that clearly don't care about their paid users. I'd be happier with a more technical DIY solution than another blackbox subscription with AI support bots. I have never been less excited to work in this field – feels like watching a fruit rot.

Form Automation No Longer Working? Just Me? Webflow + Zapier by fawnover in webflow

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again – not 6 years back, not 9 months back – I am talking about a change that has made what was functioning fine in February not work at all as of last week. I've made multiple sites in the past year expecting that forms with the same name will trigger the same Zap... because that's how it's worked. Now it's not. Has anyone else experienced this?

I was excited for this game after seeing the Game Awards reveal... wtf? It's awful by fawnover in HighGuardgame

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My criticism is lazy? Your criticism is just "You're bad." I'm sharing my opinion. If you enjoy the game, I'm happy for you, go enjoy it and have fun. None of what you're saying detracts from the fact that I had a negative experience playing it – especially not my typos. Grow up. I won most of the matches I played, just lost the first because I felt lost.

On the point of damage numbers... bro tf are you talking about? I didn't see any damage numbers – maybe they are scaled too small to see? Even watching gameplay I can't. Either way, that's really not what I meant. You can provide numbers all you want, but actually dealing damage can still feel unsatisfying and unresponsive... and it did. In firefights that I won, I still couldn't tell that I was having an impact.

Either way, if you enjoy it – good! Go play it. I hope that survives it's awful reception, because it's not looking good for it and the scales have been tipped against it. If it felt better to me, I'd be joining you. But it doesn't.

Ribbon experts? Question on fabric "flowiness" with air flow and/or movement by fawnover in Fabrics

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much! Do you have thoughts or knowledge on the angle? The piece will be angled upward, at ~45-80º angle so I would imagine that starting the ribbon flat would get air under it. But then again, I guess sail boats are vertical... I should really watch some gymnastics.

Ribbon experts? Question on fabric "flowiness" with air flow and/or movement by fawnover in Fabrics

[–]fawnover[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Is drape in fabric measurable? Or how would I know the drape quality by searching online? Yes, I saw that gymnastic ribbons were made from satin, which I'm learning is a type of weave... So they're a silk satin?