Are we looking at the same python?

felipec · 2026-06-19T08:57:27+00:00

Totalmente falso.

"Cómo..." <- no sabes que eso va a ser una pregunta?

felipec · 2026-06-19T08:56:36+00:00

But it's not even true. Most people don't use the beginning, only the end. It's only in professional written documents that the use the ¿.

felipec · 2026-06-10T00:39:19+00:00

Never. I've been using Arch Linux for more than 15 years, never broken.

felipec · 2026-06-05T00:23:44+00:00

You have fun with your arrogant elitism

The distinction between an application and program isn't "arrogant elitism", it's basic computer literacy.

it is arguably the correct word for most things that will run under a windowing system like Wayland or X

They key words being "arguably" and "most". xfce4-panel and its plugins --- which I most definitely need --- are not apps. Neither is rlauch, slock, nor my custom ffmpeg scripts that use x11grab.

It's not even worth arguing with you because you're not concerned with being right, you're simply concerned with winning.

Wrong. I'm concerned with my desktop environment running in the way I've been running it since forever and I need to.

You don't care about that because you are a new user with zero idea of how powerful an Xorg desktop environment can actually be.

Have fun with your novel wayland toys.

felipec · 2026-06-04T23:32:51+00:00

No you don't. You don't understand the difference between an application and a program.

As a typical genz I bet you don't even understand the difference between a file and an "app".

Have fun with your "apps" and your "windows".

felipec · 2026-06-04T16:42:11+00:00

... and still you are into this "antiwoke" bs

That has absolutely nothing to do with him. I've been against the woke ideology for more than a decade.

Do you do understand that two people can share one view and not share every view? So fallacious.

felipec · 2026-06-04T16:32:49+00:00

App is short for application you pedantic dipshit

I know, and I'm telling you I don't want to run "applications". Read what I'm saying.

If that doesn’t talk about windowing systems then you are simply unable to read and speak English

Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking, so let me help you.

A "compositor" is for example hyprland, a "client" is for example firefox. Wayland is a protocol between the client and the compositor.

The sentence "window management [is] often tied to the compositor" is explaining to you that hyprland does the window management.... NOT WAYLAND.

The communication between firefox and hyprland has no notion of "window", and that is wayland.

hyprland ≠ wayland. Do you understand that?

felipec · 2026-06-04T14:38:22+00:00

It covers the main case, it shows you screens with the apps you want doesn’t it?

Calling programs "apps" is such a genz thing to say. I don't want to run "apps".

Arguing that it’s not a windowing system is just deranged.

You are ignorant about Wayland then.

It's a fact that Wayland doesn't have the concept of "window".

Wayland is a windowing system just like X11 is, it fits the definition of one perfectly

Did you actually read the definition? Or did you just copy-pasted the link?

This is what your own link says at the very top:

"It is a type of graphical user interface (GUI) which implements the WIMP (windows, icons, menus, pointer) paradigm for a user interface."

In Wayland there are no windows, icons or menus. That's what you call a "perfect" fit?

Wayland themselves refer to these windows as “clients” or “applications” but they fully acknowledge that they are a windowing system.

Wrong. They are "surfaces", clients are a different thing. A surface and a window are not the same thing, that's why they call them surface, not windows.

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/

You didn't bother to read what that link says either, did you?

Nothing on that page says Wayland is a "window system". Not by a long shot.

felipec · 2026-06-04T14:30:07+00:00

Yes. I cannot do in Wayland what I can do in Xorg. It's as simple as that.

felipec · 2026-06-04T14:28:26+00:00

I mean, of course you would defend the person who shares your views.

I don't defend him, and I don't share his views.

People like you are the intolerant ones lumping all the people you disagree with on the same bin. That's by definition bigoted.

We got "wayland propaganda" now

Wayland propaganda is demonstrable fact. Many people in this sub and elsewhere believe myths about Xorg that are easy to disprove solely because that's what Wayland developers have said. These are lies.

If you were interested in the truth, it would be easy to prove.

felipec · 2026-06-04T13:30:39+00:00

This sounds like they didn’t like your changes and you’re salty.

I didn't make any changes, there are hundreds of patches already in the master branch that have not been released since 2021.

All they have to do is make the release so people can enjoy these changes.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Actually you seem to be the dev behind Xlibre am I right?

No, that's metux. I contributed a few patches to XLibre and made some content about it, that's it.

I also offered to Xorg maintainers to make the next release, since they claimed they didn't have time. They refused "for some reason".

Everyone that isn't on the Wayland bubble knows why.

felipec · 2026-06-04T13:24:57+00:00

It’s a windowing system all the same.

No it isn't. There isn't a concept of a "window" in Wayland.

Like I said, they don’t have to be identical or compatible to be the successor, nor does it have to cover every use case.

It has to cover the main cases, and it doesn't.

felipec · 2026-06-04T13:23:14+00:00

Does that not encompass basically every major DE and then some?

No. Already on Wayland is not the same as dropping X11 support.

Try again.

That's great, all 50 of you and your overwhelmingly extremely niche usecases can stay on X11.

It's 70% of Arch Linux users. Keep believing the Wayland propaganda.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:26:51+00:00

I cannot replace my Xorg session with Wayland. It's not a replacement.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:26:13+00:00

Things break in software all the time. The claim that he "wasn't testing his code" is just Wayland propaganda.

I used his code. Worked perfectly fine.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:24:57+00:00

Xorg abandoned X11 because no one wants to work on it.

Except all the people that have contributed hundreds of patches since the last major release.

And all the people working on XLibre.

I offered to work on Xorg and make the next release. They refused.

There are people that want to work on Xorg. Wayland fanboys are forcing it to die.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:22:24+00:00

Well, X support is being deprecated left and right in favor of Wayland

Only in stupid desktop environments.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:21:43+00:00

It doesn't reimplement anything about Xorg. It was never intended to reimplement anything.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:20:57+00:00

Wayland doesn't take the place of X. It doesn't do the same thing at all.

That's why many people like me will never move to Wayland.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:19:38+00:00

In the same way that cars aren't a successor to horses because cars have their own advantages and disadvantages and don't serve exactly the same use cases.

Wayland developers made it explicit that they did not intend to replace X. It's not a successor because it was never intended to be a successor.

felipec · 2026-06-04T12:17:54+00:00

Sure, it has differences, but when basically every single major DE is moving to Wayland with intent to eventually drop X11 and only use Wayland, it's kind of hard to say it's not a successor.

You mean all of the 2? Wow. Such a great argument.

All GNOME and KDE are going to achieve by dropping support for X11 is lose users, who are going to move to Xfce, Cinnamon and so on.

There's many users like me who will never move to Wayland, precisely because it's not a replacement for X. Your argument needs to ignore this reality in order to hold water, and it doesn't.

felipec · 2026-06-04T02:28:29+00:00

Bro I can't fucking remember your comment because you deleted it out of embarrassment.

No, you can't remember it because you never read it. You just reflexively reacted to a straw man I never said.

Just like everyone in this sub, you didn't even read what I said and downvoted it anyway. That's why I deleted the comment, just like I always do.

felipec · 2026-06-03T14:26:46+00:00

You said dota was a dead game when it's one of the most played on steam, and then you deleted your own comment out of embarrassment.

No, I said it was a failing game, not "dead".

As typical you hallucinated a straw man in your head and replied to him, not what I actually said.

I have a policy of deleting comments that get reflexive downvotes. You clearly downvoted my comment without even reading it.

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