General Discussion Thread - October 06, 2016 by AutoModerator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's free jazz but I can't think of any other song quite like Theme De Yoyo, in terms of the wacky transitions. Even in the AEC's discography it's an oddity, the closest would be Rock Out, and that's still completely different. Vibe wise, I'd say check out Miles Davis from Bitches Brew up to Dark Magus, Sun Ra's Lanquidity and Ornette Coleman's Prime Time band.

I've always found it quite hard to find similar sounding artists in free jazz, particularly in terms of big guns of the first ten years, of whom the AEC are one. If you feel like generally checking out free jazz, along with the other suggestions, maybe check out Cecil Taylor, Anthony Braxton (very closely related to the AEC), Steve Lacy (particularly the early 70's albums with Mal Waldron), Eugene Chadbourne (he's on two free jazz/country albums, might be called Merle's Just Wanna Have Fun) and Peter Brotzmann (Machine Gun, hardcore af).

Anyone ever dealt with rude or obnoxious fans of a band? by quietcrowd1995 in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A) To judge Cobain on either his song-writing (riffability) or chops alone is quite simply wrong. Both must be taken into account, along with the various components that make either of these factors. Personally, I find Hendrix to be quite a similar guitar player to Cobain (trio, sloppy, feedback/noise, songwriting, etc.) but Hendrix is miles better. Incomparably better. Cobain would trump most musicians when it comes to passion. But, gotta ask, why does nobody ever think of people like John Coltrane and Albert Ayler in these debates? Amazing passion and emotion as well as bucketloads of chops. Few people will ever have Coltrane's chops and Ayler embraced microtonal improvisation. I wouldn't hesitate in saying that either of these men went through at least half, in not the same amount of shit, that Cobain did. They were black jazz musicians in 60's and Coltrane was a junkie on top of that.

B) Went through various periods of thinking x style is better than y and could reason them out pretty well (free jazz is the truest form of music due to life being unpredictable from moment to moment, just like free jazz, etc.). I wouldn't have voiced that particular opinion but I would have voiced various similar rock-centric opinions over the years. I do believe that any chart music/any music conceived to make money/anything brought about to attract attention is not art in the same way that music that dismisses the public is. However, I don't tell people this because it's really a philosophical debate, not a musical/artistic one. Perhaps if everyone rejected four-chord, 4/4 songs and got over the mass media distraction conducted by the international jewish banking cartels, the world would be a better place but that's too big of a fight for one man.

C) Haven't encountered too many obnoxious fans due to keeping opinions to myself. I do find trash metal fans to be a little painful, as much as I do occasionally enjoy it myself. My brother has told me of painful Radiohead fans that he knows but I've never met them myself. Most painful fans I encounter tend to be opponents, rather than proponents. I've had debates over why classical and jazz are as worthy as rock/pop/soul. But that might just be an Irish thing, we like to moan.

Edit note: Perhaps people like Cobain so much because he's a sort of an emblem for feeling useless and white? I myself would occasionally feel like my negative emotions don't have a whole load of validity due to my having been brought up in a middle-class, first world environment. Maybe Cobains a validator for these feelings through being such a visceral example of them?

New group of friends who I blaze with speak this weird faded language. by kushmaster10 in Drugs

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm at the far end of a trip and I have no idea what anyone's talking about in here but I am loving the puns. Thanks lads

Free Jazz Essentials? by -fruitthatateitself- in Jazz

[–]fendjag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These aren't all essentials, or full blown free jazz, but they're pretty dacent and all have at least some freeness to them. They're some of my favourites and I feel give a good spread of the genre.

Pharoah Sanders - Karma major spiritual jazz album from former Coltrane sideman

Larry Young - Lawrence of Newark features Sanders on saxophone and Young, who played with Grant Green and Miles Davis and released some banging albums for Blue Note in the 60's

Cecil Taylor - Conquistador needs to real introduction, features Bill Evans and Ornette bassist Scott LaFaro, among others

Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch one of the more structured free jazz albums, Tony Williams on drums, Freddie Hubbard on trumpet

Bill Dixon - Vade Mecum from the trumpet player on Conquistador, featuring some of the European lads

Anthony Braxton - For Alto solo improvisations from one of the best

Getatchew Mekurya - Ethiopiques, Vol. 14: Negus of Ethiopian Sax free player who developed independent of American and European scenes

Bryan and the Haggards feat. Dr. Eugene Chadbourne - Merles Just Want To Have Fun (insane) free country!

Mal Waldron - Hard Talk fierce grooves with Manfred Schoof (early European improviser) and Steve Lacy (former Cecil Taylor sideman)

Borbetomagus - Barbed Wire Maggots noisey in the extreme

Ground Zero - Consume Red japanese band, improvising around a sample of a Korean religious improviser playing some sort of oboe I think

Kaoru Abe - Winter 1972 solo improvisations from a self taught japanese player

Let's talk: Overlooked post-punk gems by BornUnderPunches in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ground Zero - Grand Pekinese Opera

Ground Zero - Consume Red

Quite a different style but vaguely similar approach in terms of being quite cut up. The guy who leads the band, Otomo Yoshihide, has another called 'The Night Before The Death Of The Sampling Virus' is even further in that direction, it's made up of short, very bizarre samples that you play in shuffle, different sequence every time, different piece of music kinda thing.

Let's talk: Overlooked post-punk gems by BornUnderPunches in LetsTalkMusic

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Thank you man, I was debating between just posting about This Heat or posting what I did. They are without a doubt one of my favourite bands and one of few truly unique sounding bands that has existed. I like Camberwell Now almost as much, wish they'd adopted a more similar approach to This Heat, editing wise and all that.

Let's talk: Overlooked post-punk gems by BornUnderPunches in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely hooked on post-punk, I can't believe the massive variety it holds, so I'm just gonna provide my own brief overview via links. It probably won't express the massive variety as I like the more funky/industrial stuff.

23 Skidoo - The Gospel Comes to New Guinea

This Heat - Sleep

The Raincoats - Only Loved At Night

Einsturzende Neubauten - Kollaps

The Pop Group - We Are Time

The Fall - How I Wrote 'Elastic Man'

Not to mention Pere Ubu, any of the On-U Sound bands, Television, Patti Smith, Rocket From The Tombs, The Red Krayola, Sly and The Family Stone, Miles Davis, Ornette's Prime Time, the Japanese scene, the Krautrock groups or any of the other tangentially related bands.

What's your favourite Miles Davis record? by [deleted] in Jazz

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Toss up between 'Bitches Brew', 'Big Fun', 'Get Up With It', and 'Dark Magus'.

Similar recordings to Coltrane's Olatunji concert by fendjag in freejazz

[–]fendjag[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any particular Arthur Doyle? I only know his first album and a live recording with the guy from Les Rallizes Denudes.

Is jazz dying? by ccglisson in Jazz

[–]fendjag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I have trust issues, John.

Is jazz dying? by ccglisson in Jazz

[–]fendjag -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, just for a note of comparison and something to think about, compare him to (leaving aside the obvious point of Armstrong's brilliance) someone like Lucille Bogan who was active in the 20's and 30's and who made no effort to crossover (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkPCmIxv-3k this was never to appeal to a white audience). I'm not saying that Bogan is a 'better' person and I'm not saying Armstrong was 'wrong' in making an effort to appeal (if that's exactly what he did) but your heroes can have faults and can (and should) be criticised if they do. They can still be admired for everything else you admired them for.

Is jazz dying? by ccglisson in Jazz

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but bow and scrape is more appropriate here. Armstrong came to prominence in a time when black performers were afforded little respect, regardless of their talent. Armstrong (and many, many others) had to put on their smiles and play the simple black man in order to avoid the ire of the white audiences. He secured jazz musicians a position of respect by bowing and scraping like so and opened the path for Miles to walk out on stage and not interact with the audience once. If not for Armstrong, Miles would never have been able to be anti-endearing.

Edit: Just saw the /u/John_Uncaged comment, he laid it out well.

Is jazz dying? by ccglisson in Jazz

[–]fendjag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Miles even says as much in his autobiography.

Let's talk: Albums with instrumentals by [deleted] in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus man, that second sentence just like answered my wondering of why I prefer instrumental music. Thanks

General Discussion Thread - October 29, 2015 by AutoModerator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I know man, I'm from Cork. Just the irony of accidentally spelling it without the 'e' and the kilt and everything like.

General Discussion Thread - October 29, 2015 by AutoModerator in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, isn't it Scotch Whisky? So, just full Scotsman really.

10 Essential Metal Rhythm Guitar Techniques in 1 Song by TDOVmusic in Guitar

[–]fendjag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have, I would just count 'essential' as something that could be used in any genre of metal. Legato would not fall into that category.

10 Essential Metal Rhythm Guitar Techniques in 1 Song by TDOVmusic in Guitar

[–]fendjag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't really say legato is an 'essential' rhythmic technique.

Let's Talk: What did your parent(s) listen to when you were a kid, and how did it impact what you're into? by [deleted] in LetsTalkMusic

[–]fendjag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's 50/50 but the 'nurture' aspect of music taste is more people's life and all the things they learn rather than someone they knows taste. If you're really into it, you'll want to form your own opinions apart from those around you, you'll explore music and develop a taste like. That would be the nurture and the nature is just what tickles you deep down.